Princeton Named Among Most Gay-Friendly Schools (news item)

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<p>Campus</a> Pride: Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender and Ally Student Leaders</p>

<p>News</a> Report on Campus Pride Survey Results</p>

<p>"The non-profit Campus Pride has released their 2010 list of most gay friendly colleges . . . </p>

<p>In total, 19 colleges achieved the highest rating of 5 stars . . . </p>

<p>The study included survey’s of more than 6,000 self identified gay, lesbian, bi-sexual and trans-gender students, faculty and staff of colleges and universities across the country. Participation is voluntary. . . .(continued)"</p>

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<p>2010 Campus Pride Most Gay Friendly Colleges</p>

<p>Carleton College
Humboldt State University
Ithaca College
Oberlin College
Oregon State University
Princeton University
San Diego State University
Syracuse University
The Ohio State University
The Pennsylvania State University
University of California, Berkeley
University of California, Los Angeles
University of California, Riverside
University of Maine, Farmington
University of Oregon
University of Pennsylvania
University of Southern California
University of Vermont
Washington University in St. Louis.</p>

<p>Non-randomized surveys such as this one are notoriously unreliable but what can be said (regardless of ranking) is that the LGBT students and faculty at Princeton must have stated very positive opinions regarding their experiences.</p>

<p>For more information about the LGBT Center at Princeton, see the following:</p>

<p>Princeton</a> University LGBT Center</p>

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<p>Yes, and some of these lucky gay students even get to live in the opulent college gay-baiting Meg Whitman '77 named after herself! In her current campaign for California governor she has strenuously opposed gay marriage and has already begun to make outrage over yesterday’s proposition 8 ruling in support of same sex marriage an important plank of her campaign to get out the yobbo vote this fall …</p>

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<p>Well, there’s no accounting for donors, is there? </p>

<p>But come now, Mancune, if we were to apply this standard to all the “named” undergraduate colleges at your Alma Mater (Yale, isn’t it?) or to any of the other older U.S. colleges, there would be no place on any of these campuses that would be safe! </p>

<p>For better or worse, all private (and many public) institutions of higher education have accepted donations from (or named buildings after) alumni whose political views and personal histories might not sit well with many current students.</p>

<p>I don’t think anyone will feel oppressed by the name of the undergraduate college in which they find themselves living.</p>

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<p>Actually, PrincetonGrad, Yale names its colleges after distinguished historical figures, not after socially desperate dot-com millionaires waiving checks for 30 mils, as in the Whitman case. (It always amazed me that a university with a $15 billion endowment would grant naming rights to one of its few colleges for a measly $30 million). Tacky, tacky, tacky. </p>

<p>Anyhow, I suppose gay Whitmanites at Princeton could always withdraw from their college, go independent, and eat all their meals at the Frist Family Center. I mean, Bill Frist only supports a CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT BANNING GAY MARRIAGE:</p>

<p>[USATODAY.com</a> - Frist backs constitutional ban on gay marriage](<a href=“http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-06-29-frist-gay-marriage_x.htm]USATODAY.com”>http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-06-29-frist-gay-marriage_x.htm)</p>

<p>But let’s hear it from the horse’s mouth: a relatively recent article in the Daily Princetonian by Peter, a gay student, describing the tribulations of being a gay student at Princeton, a venue he describes as less accepting of gay life than Harvard or Yale:</p>

<p>[Discretion</a> Required - The Daily Princetonian](<a href=“http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/2009/04/13/23355/]Discretion”>http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/2009/04/13/23355/)</p>

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<p>The interest that Yale alumni take in ‘correcting’ us here on the Princeton board never ceases to amuse me.</p>

<p>I won’t argue with you about this, Mancune, except to point out the following.</p>

<p>Please don’t ask that we start examing the history of Yale’s “distinguished” alumni and historical figures (for whom the colleges are named). The social views of those alumni would make most living Yale graduates cringe. Even among living alumni, Yale has its fair share of controversial figures.</p>

<p>Secondly, the article you cite apparently does not represent the majority view at Princeton. If it did, you would not have seen Princeton ranked in the Campus Pride survey as it is. One of the comments on that article is probably more representative:</p>

<p>“This article does not at all reflect the experience of a lot of gay guys on campus. The author really should have interviewed more than one dude. . . .”</p>

<p>(Remember that the Daily Princetonian doesn’t prevent non-campus comments so a great number of outsiders post regularly there pretending to be Princeton students.)</p>

<p>Finally, more information about the survey in question can be found here. </p>

<p>[JUST</a> ANNOUNCED: Campus Pride Climate Index ranks gay-friendliness of American colleges and universities just in time for ‘Back to School’; Nineteen schools nationwide make highest five-star rating |](<a href=“http://www.campusprideblog.org/blog/just-announced-campus-pride-climate-index-ranks-gay-friendliness-american-colleges-and-universi]JUST”>http://www.campusprideblog.org/blog/just-announced-campus-pride-climate-index-ranks-gay-friendliness-american-colleges-and-universi)</p>

<p>I’m certain it’s the case that Yale is a fine place for LGBT students as well (despite not having been included in the “5” star category :slight_smile: ) but is it your point to assert that Princeton is not a welcoming place? Is that what’s important to you here and is your belief based on any actual surveys or other hard non-anecdotal evidence?</p>

<p>All universities are microcosms of society. Sadly, there will be homophobia found everywhere, including at Yale, but I won’t get into a citations war with unsavory articles about life at Yale and instead will ask you the following.</p>

<p>Shall we celebrate the changes that have taken place in the world that make us all a little more enlightened (including yesterday’s District Court decision knocking down California’s Prop 8) or would you rather just take cheap shots at the competition?</p>

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<p>Mancune, this isn’t a debate, nor an attempt to have you support that which should never happen on the face of this planet.</p>

<p>And PrincetonGrad, I love your posts, but your political commentary is neither necessary nor productive on threads where you merely link to Princeton in the news, especially on such a controversial issue.</p>

<p>Princeton is very welcoming to all people.</p>

<p>Princeton is not going to deny the ability of more students to enjoy the resources that the university offers because of some misguided attempt to regulate donors and buildings. Their opinions are not that of the school.</p>

<p>I suggest you start your own university and only take donations from people with whom you agree on every issue. Let me know what your endowment size is after…two years.</p>

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<p>PrincetonGrad’s political commentary was just as “necessary” and “productive” as your (Baelor) criticism of it. And probably just as “necessary” and “productive” as this reply - which is to say, this is a damn CC forum, not the G20 summit.</p>

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<p>My post is blatantly unnecessary and unproductive.</p>

<p>There, at least I was honest.</p>

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<p>You are wrong. See, I can assert things at will as well! </p>

<p>This is a CC forum, but that doesn’t make it a sewer (or the Garden of Eden). It is what we make it – and PrincetonGrad2000 has done an excellent job in posting links to Princeton in the news. Embedding his political opinions in the same posts as his information is hardly appropriate in my opinion (and it is only that, obviously) regardless of venue.</p>

<p>If I were he (and I am not, and he is free to do whatever he wants, and so forth), I would post information necessary and then comment on them as I want in separate posts.</p>

<p>Take that as you will. I stand by my statement.</p>

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<p>Well, I’m guilty. I will admit to having shown something of my own political views but I’m happy to respect yours as well, so long as they are accompanied by a good rational argument and start from a place of respect for all persons. :)</p>