<p>Byerly posts endlessly with the nom de plume NYCFan on other well-known college discussion websites (xoxo, PR etc.). He is a Harvard college graduate, read law at UMich, probably retired, interviews for Harvard, knows people at Princeton, reads all the college dailies daily, has access to a huge storehouse of interesting data and is a relentless Harvard booster. He'll argue with you all day if you suggest in any way that Harvard is not king of the world. No one is the equal of Harvard. He is fun to have around as long as you don't take him too seriously. His postings work better at the wild-wild-west-no-holds-barred websites whence he's wandered over here. What he posts here is the same information he posts all over the place on other websites. It's has the tone of a religious crusade.</p>
<p>Haha, i love you futajalon. way to put him in his place.</p>
<p>cool, thanks for the info guys!</p>
<p>Princeton first in The Consus Group's university rankings</p>
<p>LOS ANGELES, CaliforniaPrinceton University ranked first in The Consus Group's annual survey of undergraduate universities. Harvard and Yale tied for second, with Dartmouth and The University of Chicago completing the top five.</p>
<p>The Consus Group generally analyzes contracts, industries, and companies. Occasionally, however, TCG displays its analytical expertise on other subjects of interest to the business and legal communities. Its university rankings are one of these periodic exercises.</p>
<p>TCG determined the nation's best undergraduate universities using a sophisticated methodology. This approach canvassed numerous factors, including: published rankings, selectivity, placement and salary statistics, and class yields.</p>
<p>Published Rankings: A proxy for prestige, published rankings proved a useful metric for assessing a university's reputation. To eliminate the vagaries of published rankings, The Consus Group incorporated both current and historical ratings from numerous sources. </p>
<p>Selectivity: TCG measured the quality of universities' admitted candidates using SAT scores, high school GPAs, and the percentage of applicants admitted. Typically, the best schools attract many of the best candidatesproviding another proxy for prestige. </p>
<p>Placement & Salary: Placement and salary statistics provided objective measures of universities' performance placing their graduates. To reduce annual fluctuations in placement and salary statistics, TCG used current and historical placement and salary statistics. </p>
<p>Yield: Yield measured the percentage of admitted candidates actually matriculating to the admitting universityanother indication of a school's appeal. </p>
<p>While many university rankings fluctuate wildly from year to year, TCG's methodology produces a stable, accurate picture of America's best undergraduate universities.</p>
<p>About TCG</p>
<p>Founded by attorneys and management consultants, The Consus Group provides crucial intelligence about contracts, industries, and companies. TCG's research products clarify complicated legal agreements, explain industry structures and relationships, and provide unparalleled competitive intelligence. TCG also provides complementary professional services, including customized contract and industry analyses.</p>
<p>The Consus Group's intelligence products are state-of-the-art. TCG uses a sophisticated infrastructure to amass and process enormous amounts of information from many sources. This information is compiled in massive databases, dissected with powerful statistical tools, and synthesized by experts.</p>
<p>It seems VERY strange to me that using that methodology would place Dartmouth and U Chicago ahead of Stanford and MIT.</p>
<p>yea, that makes no sense at all</p>
<p>forzagiovanni, you must be baiting you-know-whom? This 62-year old Harvard alumni interviewer loves to visit websites populated by teenagers and argue with them till dawn about posts like yours. Only post when Harvard is #1 or you're in for endless rancor. He posts 24/7 for lack of alternative social relationships. Watch him show up soon after this post.</p>
<p>Presumably by error, the earlier poster, forzagiovanni, gave us the outdated 2002 list.
Here is the current 2004 ranking of the top 20 colleges from Consus Group website:</p>
<p>1 Harvard University 1.000</p>
<p>2 Princeton University 0.975</p>
<p>3 Stanford University 0.946</p>
<p>4 Columbia University 0.926</p>
<p>5 California Institute of Technology 0.922</p>
<p>6 Yale University 0.913</p>
<p>7 Massachusetts Institute of Technology 0.877</p>
<p>8 Brown University 0.835</p>
<p>9 University of California, Berkeley 0.806</p>
<p>10 University of California, Los Angeles 0.785</p>
<p>11 University of Pennsylvania 0.784</p>
<p>12 Dartmouth College 0.776</p>
<p>13 Rice University 0.770</p>
<p>14 Duke University 0.755</p>
<p>15 Swarthmore College 0.740</p>
<p>16 Amherst College 0.735</p>
<p>17 University of California, San Diego 0.727</p>
<p>18 Williams College 0.720</p>
<p>19 Georgetown University 0.719</p>
<p>20 Cornell University 0.718</p>
<p>[see: <a href="http://www.consusgroup.com/news/rankings/colleges/colleges.asp%5B/url%5D">http://www.consusgroup.com/news/rankings/colleges/colleges.asp</a> ]</p>
<p>Damn, Yale got owned by Columbia</p>
<p>i dont know why the second dude wants to go to princeton for math
i thought its pretty much decided that harvard math is the best in the nation</p>
<p>futajalon:
"you must be baiting you-know-whom? This 62-year old Harvard alumni interviewer loves to visit websites populated by teenagers and argue with them till dawn about posts like yours. Only post when Harvard is #1 or you're in for endless rancor. He posts 24/7 for lack of alternative social relationships. Watch him show up soon after this post."</p>
<p>Byerly:
"here's an update on those consus rankings"</p>
<p>LOL. Futajalon you are a psychic. I can't believe Byerly still posted after you said that!</p>
<p>byerly is my hero</p>
<p>Stefo30385, NYCFan = Arrested development. Now that he's outed, watch him develop multiple personae. Count on it. He'll show up or morph into something else. The guy's tireless. Must be on some private-issue geriatric juice.</p>
<p>Princeton is a comparable institution and any differences are negligible aside from qualitative issues</p>
<p>Atlantic Monthly ranks top 10</p>
<ol>
<li>MIT </li>
<li>Princeton</li>
<li>California Institute of Technology</li>
<li>Yale</li>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>Stanford</li>
<li>Columbia</li>
<li>University of Pennsylvania</li>
<li>Brown<br></li>
<li>Swarthmore.</li>
</ol>
<p>1 Harvard
2 Yale
3 Stanford
4 Cal Tech
5 MIT
6 Princeton
7 Brown
8 Columbia
9 Amherst
10 Dartmouth</p>
<ol>
<li>Harvard University
2 University of California, Berkeley
3 Massachusetts Institute of Technology
4 California Institute of Technology
5 Oxford University
6 Cambridge University
7 Stanford University
8 Yale University
9 Princeton University
10 London School of Economics</li>
</ol>
<p>Berkeley is a great school, but I still don't understand why it is at number 2. What does it have over Princeton, Yale, Stanford, Duke, etc..?</p>
<p>See also the ranking of American Research Universities at "The Center"</p>
<p>When the quality and breadth of graduate and professional schools - in addition to the undergraduate program - is taken into account, Berkeley, Harvard, Stanford and usually MIT are generally seen as head and shoulders above the others - many of which are good, but just not as comprehensive.</p>
<p>For example, national research council's rankings:</p>
<ol>
<li>Cal Berkeley</li>
</ol>