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<p>Yes you are. You will be at Harvard. You are the best. You are the greatest. You are sexy. You will be someone great…</p>
<p>“so who wants to be in school with 9.79% admit rate instead of 7.0% admit rate ?”</p>
<p>jomjom, I can’t believe how much of a toolbag you are. Juilliard takes 6.4%. Does that mean it’s better than Harvard? </p>
<p>Do you actually believe the quality of a school is determined entirely by its acceptance rate? Is THAT how you’re going to choose a school? </p>
<p>Oh em gee, Brown took 10.2% this year while Penn took 17.1%! Wharton be damned, BROWN IT IS!</p>
<p>guys, ignore it and it will go away.</p>
<p>Annually Princeton students rank among the happiest in the nation.</p>
<p>[Top</a> 10 Schools with the Happiest Students - MSN Encarta](<a href=“http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/Departments/College/?article=Top10HappiestStudents09]Top”>http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/Departments/College/?article=Top10HappiestStudents09)</p>
<p>Maybe this is why, when they graduate, their giving rate is the highest in the nation.</p>
<p>Happieness, or the lack thereof, at Harvard has been well documented.</p>
<p>[Student</a> life at Harvard lags peer schools, poll finds - The Boston Globe](<a href=“http://www.boston.com/news/education/higher/articles/2005/03/29/student_life_at_harvard_lags_peer_schools_poll_finds/]Student”>http://www.boston.com/news/education/higher/articles/2005/03/29/student_life_at_harvard_lags_peer_schools_poll_finds/)</p>
<p>Interestingly enough, found the following in the CC Yale archives:</p>
<p>“Unanimous conclusion reached by National College Guide Experts” </p>
<p>Here are the CURRENT positions of those National College Guides making declarations about which college/university is best in America. </p>
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<li><p>“Untangling the Ivy League” (2008)- Gives Princeton its highest academic rating. One full notch above Yale and Harvard and certainly above all others in the Ivy League. </p></li>
<li><p>The Princeton Review (unaffiliated with Princeton University) - In its “College Campus Visit Guide” (7th edition) it refers to Princeton as, “truly gorgeous, offering the best undergraduate education in the country”. </p></li>
<li><p>“Insider’s Guide to the Colleges” (2008) - (An annual college guide publication written by Yale’s Daily News Staff Editors). The publication lists Princeton as the top school for undergraduate attention/focus. Left out of the running was Yale itself. </p></li>
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<p>[Amazon.com:</a> The Insider’s Guide to the Colleges, 2008: Students on Campus Tell You What You Really Want to Know, 34th Edition: Yale Daily News Staff: Books](<a href=“http://www.amazon.com/Insiders-Guide-Colleges-2008-34th/dp/0312366892]Amazon.com:”>http://www.amazon.com/Insiders-Guide-Colleges-2008-34th/dp/0312366892) </p>
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<li>“All American Colleges” (2008) - In ranking “Top Schools for Conservatives, Old-Fashioned Liberals, and People of Faith” the college guide book named Princeton as its choice school among the Ivies as well as other schools. </li>
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<p>[Intercollegiate</a> Studies Institute - ISI Books - All-American Colleges](<a href=“http://www.isi.org/books/bookdetail.aspx?id=f265b43c-5b48-4a57-b740-2fd310414b27]Intercollegiate”>Home - Intercollegiate Studies Institute) </p>
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<li>College ******* (2008) - College P****** publishes individual college guides for each of the country’s more well known schools. College ******* gives Princeton the highest academic rating in the Ivy League and nation, Both Harvard and Yale are ranked below. The ranking is based largely on the opinions of those attending the schools being ranked. </li>
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<p><a href="http://www..com/find/guides-by-ranking.aspx?section=Academics%5B/url%5D">http://www..com/find/guides-by-ranking.aspx?section=Academics</a> </p>
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<li>“Choosing the Right College” 2008 - 2009 edition (an ISI Guide) </li>
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<p>Subtitle: The Whole Truth about America’s Top Schools </p>
<p>This newest college guide, touted as the nation’ most comprehensive, promotes Princeton as the nation’s best undergraduate university and “most exclusive club” among universities. Further referring to Princeton as “the undergraduate’s Ivy” being “almost always rated the number one school in America”. </p>
<p>Princeton is described as being “as close to the intellectual ideal for undergraduates as one can find in a top research university”. </p>
<p>[Amazon.com:</a> Choosing the Right College: The Whole Truth About America’s 100 Top Schools: Intercollegiate Studies Institute, Jeffrey O. Nelson, Gregory Wolfe, William J. Bennett: Your Store](<a href=“http://www.amazon.com/Choosing-Right-College-Americas-Schools/dp/0802845371]Amazon.com:”>http://www.amazon.com/Choosing-Right-College-Americas-Schools/dp/0802845371)</p>
<p>These rankings are all so stupid. If you think there is any difference in your education from merely attending one elite school vs. another you are completely delusional. I can make up any criteria and rank places. For example Nobel Prizes:</p>
<p>Columbia 88
UChicago 82
Harvard 75
MIT 73
Stanford 50
Cornell 40
Yale 34
NYU 33
Princeton 32</p>
<p>but this misses the point that some schools like Columbia and Harvard have leading medical research centers while the U of C has the most distinguished economics faculty of the modern era… everything has to be given context. If you’re interested in the hard sciences and engineering, state universities are generally stronger than the ivies because of larger faculty, government support, better facilities and much larger entering classes of prospective majors. After the weeding out process in the intro (but tough) classes, there is still a sufficiently large graduating class of majors in say EE, ChemE, MechE etc.</p>
<p>Since Wall Street is no longer likely to be the path to riches it once was, an ambitious person is probably best advised to go to one’s state university, pursue a difficult engineering major, earn high grades and work for a technology company.</p>
<p>Princeton undergrad and Harvard grad (I know some people have already said that in this thread)</p>
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It is very difficult to get into Harvard grad school with Princeton UG degree.</p>
<p>jomjom what makes you say that?</p>
<p>His desire to make Princeton look bad makes him say that:). It is a lie.</p>
<p>At Harvard Law School, 300 Harvard UG enrolled and about 50 Princeton UG enrolled.</p>
<p>At Yale Law, 90 Yale UG enrolled and … ony 24 Princeton UG enrolled…</p>
<p>Theres probably less people from Princeton that go into law…now go die jomjom, fall on your own sword moron.</p>
<p>Ernie H, the title of the image you linked has major grammar problems… just throwing that out there…</p>
<p>… also I love how people who say “Harvard for grad school” etc. didn’t actually get into the Harvard most of the time… food for thought… </p>
<p>… also Princeton is an amazing school … using silly statistics such as these as arguments that a school is better or worse is childish… </p>
<p>… the end.</p>
<p>I’m not sure why you are focusing only on numbers jomjom. I mean seriously, why do admission rates matter, especially when Harvard and Princeton both have admission rates of under 10%…they are both extremely competitive. To choose a college on the basis that it has a lower admission rate is ridiculous, and it speaks volumes of personal insecurity and immaturity…</p>
<p>My advice to anyone fortunate to have been accepted at both universities is to visit. Pick the school that suits you better; most alumni will tell you that student life ultimately becomes more important than any numbers or statistics. Honestly, I don’t care if a university gets 100% of its students into top graduate schools if the student life is absolute hell. Also, its not the university that holds you back from graduate school. You can get into ANY graduate school from ANY of the top undergraduate schools if you work hard enough. Its on you, not the college.</p>
<p>jomjom, numbers don’t mean anything unless there are percentages</p>
<p>What I am trying to say is that ‘‘Princeton UG / Harvard Grad school’’ is very unlikely to happen… because either 1) most Princeton UG don’t apply to Harvard gradu school for some reason or 2) more Princeton UG are rejected from H. </p>
<p>The indisputable truth is that Probability( Harvard UG/Harvard G ) >>>>>>>> Prob(Princeton UG/Harvard G)</p>
<p>At harvard law school, there are 6 times more Harvard UG than Princeton UG (300 vs 50)
Do you really think that number of Harvard UG applicants are 6 times bigger than that of Princeton ??</p>
<p>^Yes, I would believe that totally. Mainly because only now are Princeton graduates turning en (greater) masse toward grad schools. The connections that the graduates had to Wall Street, companies (even like Microsoft), etc. reduced the interest in/need for grad school.</p>
<p>For example, in my area, all the graduates (psych, ORFE, many engineering) either went directly to work for Microsoft/tech firms or went to IBanking/consulting of whatever sort.</p>
<p>jomjom just makes up numbers.</p>
<p>But yeah I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the % of Princeton kids accepted to Harvard Law and Yale Law is lower than Harvard’s % at Yale or Yale’s % at Harvard. Grade deflation hurts the most for pre-law and pre-med. Simply put, the average Princeton student (3.3 GPA) has almost no chance at Harvard or Yale law.</p>
<p>I don’t mean to badmouth the school I go to; I’m just being dead honest with myself.</p>
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<p>Another important thing to consider in the Princeton vs. Harvard debate is fit…sure, numbers can say a million different things, but when it boils down, the fact remains that Harvard and Princeton can both take you to similarly amazing places. I would say that calling them equally academically enriching would not be a stretch by any means.</p>
<p>Now, on to fit…perhaps a much more important factor than academics between these two schools. I personally chose Princeton because it fit me better. The campus is beautiful and peaceful, the students are down to earth and willing to work together, and the environment is less cutthroat. I did not observe these features at Harvard, though I am sure that they exist in some quantity, significant or insignificant; I would not doubt that for a second. Harvard has some advantages that would make it a better fit for others, including access to a city. Its all about what suits you best. People say to pick a school based on your compatibility to the student life, and that is how I made my decision.</p>