Princeton vs. Harvard

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<p>I have tried to be civil with you jomjom, but honestly, you are a misled piece of trash not fit for society. You’re information is flawed and biased, and you can’t concede a single point to a school other than Harvard, which shows you are a whiny ***** trying to justify your own rejection. You don’t know anything about life…you don’t know anything about education. You are a shell of a human who doesn’t really enjoy life. Instead, you try to get off by bragging about your accomplishments and pushing down those of others. No one wants to hear you speak. Not those who support Harvard and not those who support Princeton. Misguided ignoramus.</p>

<p>P.S.: Your parents don’t love you; if they did, you would have been euthanized a long time ago to save yourself from the mental anguish and continual ass-whoopings that you are to receive for the rest of your life. May God have mercy on your deluded soul.</p>

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<p>This argument is stupid clearly Harvard is superior to Princeton in every respect. Jomjom has brought up some completely valid points.
Princeton math only won 1 putnam and look at their math department it just all around sucks. Who would want to take classes from Wiles, Conway, Sarnak, Katz and Kochen? They should try to get some real professors if they want to be considered a good school. I hear Evan O’Dorney is looking for a job maybe they can get him.
Let me reinforce his stats as well. Harvard gets more people into law school than princeton. Admissions rate and any other factors like that are clearly irrelevant. Its basic logic Harvard law students > princeton law students => harvard > princeton. If you don’t understand that take a logic class, but not at princeton because they only have ****ty logicians like Kochen and Nelson.</p>

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<p>Why are you guys getting so worked up by someone who’s annoying you just for kicks?</p>

<p>Jomjom even said himself, in another forum, that he gets a kick out of the responses he garners.</p>

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<p>I honestly can’t tell whether ras22 is serious. It could be a joke, mimicking jomjom’s masterful illogic. On the other hand, jomjom has made it seem reasonable that people believe what he does…Not that the ideas are at all reasonable.</p>

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<p>Anybody with half a brain knows that Harvard>Princeton. Who wants to root for the New Jersey Nets? The New Jersey Nets suck. They didn’t even make the playoffs. </p>

<p>Meanwhile, THE REAL STUDENTS IN HARVARD have the World Champion Boston Celtics, who managed to steal the 2008 Championship from the Lakers through excellent acting from Paul Pierce, as well as a bit of help from the referees. Princeton will forever be a loser school until the Nets get good.</p>

<p>In addition, Harvard has a 28.8 billion dollar endowment, Princeton has a 11.3! Ha! Harvard>Princeton</p>

<p>And Harvard is in an urban area, Princeton is in a suburban area! And we get clam chowder in our cafeteria! And our name and color are cooler!</p>

<p>And we have a graduate school! HA! </p>

<p>All of those factors are what make Harvard>Princeton</p>

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<p>Princeton has a higher per capita endowment, interestingly. I didn’t know that until a little bit ago.</p>

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<p>Harvard FAS endowment ( which is Harvard College & GSAS only) is about 17 billion plus
endowment of the administrations is also roughly about 5 billion. </p>

<p>Princeton’s entire endowment ( including UG G administration wooddrow etc ) is 16 billion. </p>

<p>Harvad FAS has higher per capita endowment</p>

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<p>Jomjom</p>

<p>Here is the latest table of college endowment per capita</p>

<p>Rank , Endowment Per Capita , School , ( Rank in Total Assets )</p>

<p>1 , $2,227,979 , Princeton , ( 4 )
2 , $1,996,682 , Yale , ( 2 )
3 , $1,898,323 , Harvard , ( 1 )
4 , $1,159,664 , Pomona , ( 33 )
5 , $1,012,463 , Amherst , ( 38 )
6 , $985,225 , MIT , ( 6 )
7 , $947,686 , Swarthmore , ( 47 )
8 , $889,964 , Grinnell , ( 44 )
9 , $887,014 , Caltech , ( 31 )
10 , $883,675 , Williams , ( 32 )
11 , $879,268 , Rice , ( 18 )
12 , $869,477 , Stanford , ( 3 )
13 , $676,891 , Wellesley , ( 41 )
14 , $625,748 , Dartmouth , ( 20 )
15 , $537,613 , U Chicago , ( 11 )
16 , $530,640 , Notre Dame , ( 13 )
17 , $484,266 , Bowdoin , ( 79 )
18 , $465,198 , Claremont McK , ( 104 )
19 , $450,360 , Duke , ( 14 )
20 , $445,680 , Haverford , ( 105 )
21 , $445,677 , Smith , ( 49 )
22 , $435,402 , Emory , ( 15 )
23 , $401,819 , Northwestern , ( 8 )
24 , $399,791 , Wash U , ( 17 )
25 , $373,184 , Bryn Mawr , ( 89 )</p>

<p>While Princeton had only the 4th highest college endowment, it was first in the per capita ranking (these figures are as of 6/30/08, so obviously the numbers have changed, but I believe that Harvard losses were equal to or greater than those of Princeton during the last 9 months)</p>

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<p>I was talking about endowment of “”“”“”“”“”“”" Harvard F.A.S. “”“”“”“”“”“”"</p>

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<p>Since Harvard has 9859 undergraduate students and Princeton has 7261 undergraduates students, I doubt that you’re right about the per capita figures, but why don’t you show us where you got your figures from and then show us your math. Also, since undergraduates often make use of resources available to graduate students, including teachers and facilities, many would argue that the total endowment per student is the more relevant figure.</p>

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<p>There are abotu 6500 Harvard UG</p>

<p>Harvard FAS (including UG and Grad school) is about $16.6 billion + $5
billion for administration = $22 billion
Princeton endowment is $16 billion (including all schools and
administration) for 4900 UG
$22 bil/6500 > $16 bil/4900</p>

<p>There is almost no interaction between Harvard UG and Design School,
Education School, Kennedy School, Business school, Law School etc…
which have far lower endowment than FAS</p>

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<p>Sorry, I used the wrong numbers of undergraduate students before.</p>

<ol>
<li> Harvard has approximately 6700 undergraduates (according to the Factbook, there were 6,678 undergraduates in fall 2008).</li>
<li> I don’t know where you got your figure of $5 billion for overall administrative endowment.</li>
<li> The FAS, according to the Harvard website, covers Harvard College, the Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, the School of Engineering and Applied Sciences and the Division of Continuing Education, which includes a significantly higher number of students than just undergraduates. According to the Factbook, there are 3720 students in the GSAS and approximately 1400 degree students in the Extension School (not to mention an additional 12,000 or so who apparently take courses in the Extension School). In order to try and get a correct per capita endowment number for Harvard, you would have to factor in a significantly higher number of students, at least the 11,800 students seeking degrees in the Arts and Sciences, compared to Princeton’s total undergraduate and graduate population of 7497.</li>
</ol>

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<p>As I’ve mentioned before, Princeton seems to be the favorite target at this time of year for “new” posters whose sole purpose is to spread false claims about Princeton during the season when prospective students are making their decisions. This particular poster sounds intriguingly similar to one who was banned from these boards about two years ago but I suspect it might also be one of the regular posters on the other boards who is an advocate for another institution.</p>

<p>Speculation aside, the above quote is just another example of the twisting of facts by this poster. There is no doubt that Princeton has a higher endowment per capita than any other school in the country.</p>

<p>From Harvard’s website:</p>

<p>"2. Isn’t Harvard’s endowment the largest university endowment in the world?</p>

<p>The value of Harvard’s endowment is indeed the largest, at least in absolute terms, among the 785 institutions reporting annually to the National Association of College and University Business Officers (NACUBO), the organization that tracks endowment values, returns, and other performance indicators. Across a variety of other measures, however, Harvard’s endowment is not the largest (e.g., on a per student basis, Harvard’s endowment ranks fifth, behind Woods Hole, Rockefeller, Princeton, and Yale)."</p>

<p>[Harvard</a> University | FAS |](<a href=“http://www.fas.harvard.edu/home/dean-and-administration/deans-office/communications/endowment-faq-12052008.shtml]Harvard”>http://www.fas.harvard.edu/home/dean-and-administration/deans-office/communications/endowment-faq-12052008.shtml)</p>

<p>As for the above poster’s numbers, the figure for central administration has been invented by the poster and he/she has underreported the total number of Harvard undergraduates.<br>
Here are the actual numbers as published by Harvard:</p>

<p>% of Endowment-----Harvard Division</p>

<p>.9%----------------------Central Administration
42.6%-------------------Faculty of Arts and Sciences
43.5%-------------------Total portion of endowment available to Harvard College & FAS</p>

<p>[Endowment</a> Issues: Each School’s Exposure | Harvard Magazine](<a href=“http://harvardmagazine.com/breaking-news/endowment-issues-each-schools-exposure]Endowment”>http://harvardmagazine.com/breaking-news/endowment-issues-each-schools-exposure)</p>

<p>As of last June with a reported endowment size of 36.9 billion, the above percentage leads to a figure of 16 billion available to Harvard College and the FAS Graduate School. The previously referenced article reports an even higher figure of 16.6 but, either way, it is clear that both figures include all administration overhead.</p>

<p>So, the actual comparison is as follows even using the more generous figure:</p>

<p>Harvard College & Graduate FAS</p>

<p>16.6 billion/6,648 undergraduates = $2,496,992.00 per student</p>

<p>Princeton College & Graduate FAS</p>

<p>16.3 billion/4,918 undergraduates = $3,314,355.00 per student</p>

<p>These figures are, of course, now terribly out of date. Since June 30th of last year, all of these large endowments have lost an enormous amount. It is widely believed, however, that Harvard’s endowment has suffered much more than Princeton’s. Published reports (confirming what I have heard from my contacts at Harvard) suggest that Harvard’s losses may be nearly 50%, significantly greater than Princeton’s. Even were they the same, Princeton would still have a much higher endowment per student than Harvard.</p>

<p>Please note that I post this only to counter the previous poster’s false claims. I take no position on the relative merits of these two fine schools. When I chose between them, I opted for Princeton, but it is true that more students make the opposite choice.</p>

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<p>Princeton is almost always listed as having the largest endowment per student. An example, as of June 30th, 2008, in the Newsweek 2009 “How to Get Into College Guide”, counting all undergraduate, graduate and professional school students. Of course the numbers have changed radically since then, though maybe not the order of schools.</p>

<p>Princeton $2,170,000
Yale $2,000,000
Harvard $1,820,000</p>

<p>Stanford, by the way, is listed at $1,200,000 and has racked up impressive fund raising in recent years.</p>

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<p>You have conveniently ignored Endowment funds for Radcliffe, Presidents, Auxllary Central
and Other Academic dept which sum up to about $7 bill.
Assuming 50% is to be used for FAS . Total Endowment for FAS is 16.6+3.5 ~ $20 bil</p>

<p>Princeton’s endowment, excluding Woodrow Windon school , which is professional school, is about $14 bil</p>

<p>20bil/6600 >~ 14 bil /4900</p>

<p>Projected endowment for 2009</p>

<p>Princeton 11 billion minus woodrow W school ~ 10 bil
Harvard 28 billion about 50% for FAS = 14 billion</p>

<p>$14bil/6600 >> $10bil/4900</p>

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<p>It is sad to me that we have to endure posters such as the above who rely on misrepresentation and constant harrassment. As they always have, they will disappear later in the spring.</p>

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<p>Notice there are MULTIPLE posters attacking Princeton from Harvard, and yet none attacking Harvard from Princeton. This just shows the kinds of people who attend each school. I still maintain that Harvard and Princeton are both great. But I sure as hell would not want to attend a school filled with bloodthirsty stat whores who don’t actually understand the point of the college experience.</p>

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<p>one of my sisters went to harvard…one to prinecton…im going to harvard… nuff said?</p>

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<p>I don’t understand why anyone on this thread needs to be defensive about Harvard. Hey, you got into Harvard! Still insecure? I don’t believe anyone who actually is ending up at Harvard would try to defend his or her decision here. Just doesn’t ring true to me.</p>

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<p>I can’t believe I’m biting, re: the Radcliffe endowment, but in 1999, as part of the merger deal, Harvard agreed to pay $150 million into the Radcliffe endowment, in effect doubling it.</p>

<p>[Times</a> Higher Education - Radcliffe melds with Harvard](<a href=“Radcliffe melds with Harvard | Times Higher Education (THE)”>Radcliffe melds with Harvard | Times Higher Education (THE))</p>