<p>Making up arguments? :(</p>
<p>I'm have an Opteron (AMD for you computer nubs :D), I'm not making anything up (have an Opteron). [I know it's not an FX-62]</p>
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I currently have a severly overclocked (almost 1 ghz) single-core Opteron (939)
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well, you better overclock that opteron some more, 1GHz isn't very much you know ;)</p>
<p>:O Haha.</p>
<p>1 Ghz overclock (not exactly).</p>
<p>1.8 Ghz to 2.8 Ghz (1mb cache)</p>
<p>I don't think you understood my point Surge. I was getting at the fact that the statement was the Normal conroes won't be anybody. You say that is incorrect and back that up by saying the top of the line processors are better.</p>
<p>Your argument is illogical and makes no sense. (and I didn't proofread for typos either.)</p>
<p>Oh, ok... I see what you're getting at. I didn't really read "Masterus"'s post thoroughly enough. My error.</p>
<p>However, if you notice in this article:
<a href="http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2716&p=7%5B/url%5D">http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2716&p=7</a></p>
<p>It seems to be taking the "so-called" normal Conroes and pitting it against an Athlon FX overclocked (939 not AM2). The Conroe performs better (although it won't be released until Q3, so AMD may catch up and outperform)</p>
<p>Motherboard: MS-7207G/K8NGM2-L
CPU:AMD Athlon 64 Venice 3500+ @ 2.21 ghz
RAM: 768Mb (1x512 & 1x256) PC 3200 Hyundai Ram
Video Card: EVGA GeForce 6800 GT 256mb (PCI-E)
Hard drives: Seagate Barracuda 7200 RPM 160 gig , Maxtor MaXLine Plus II 7200 RPM 250 gig
Power Supply: Delta DPS-300PB-1 300 Watt
DVD-Rom: Lite On SHW-160P6S 16x DVD+-RW, Dbl. Layer
Monitor: 17" Dell
Soundcard/Speakers: RealTek HD/Emachines stock</p>
<p>Generally speaking, AMD > Intel.</p>
<p>;)</p>
<p>BUT</p>
<p>Intel might be making a comeback with their new line:</p>
<p>AMD Athlon 64 X2 4800+</p>
<p>hooray for gaming and video editing at the same time</p>
<p>currently use a rather ancient p4 2.0 ghz. In august, I'm getting a laptop with the new intel core 2 duo processor.</p>
<p>Some sites already got their Conroe 6XXX. The Conroe is a good step for Intel to take over again ,but AMD always surprises us. The FX-64 is coming out soon. I can't wait to see a 3.6 ghz AMD FX Dual Core. That will be the ultimate thing.</p>
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but AMD always surprises us
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last time amd surprised me was when they released the thunderbird core. from then on, everything was known and expected.</p>
<p><a href="http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2795&p=19%5B/url%5D">http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2795&p=19</a>
<a href="http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/07/14/core2_duo_knocks_out_athlon_64/page18.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/07/14/core2_duo_knocks_out_athlon_64/page18.html</a></p>
<p>It's a good time to buy computers. Oh, and I was wrong, Core 2 doesn't beat FX-62 under $300. It beats it for around $350 (with lower power consumption and likely better OC potential). </p>
<p>And there's no way FX-64 successfully compete with a brand new architecture (do you see those benchmarks?). Intel should win the next year, and AMD, for the good of competition (and lower prices), needs K8L.</p>
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It's a good time to buy computers. Oh, and I was wrong, Core 2 doesn't beat FX-62 under $300. It beats it for around $350 (with lower power consumption and likely better OC potential).
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<p>Yep, and also merom's will rule the mobile market for the next year or so. I don't think that AMD even has anything planned for that.</p>
<p>amd is king in basically all applications. the old mantra "amd for games, intel for everything else" hasn't really held true for the last four or five years. </p>
<p>wrt conroe, the new amd 4x4 platform will not only cause x2 prices to be slashed in half, but will also probably allow amd to surpass intel's e6800 in performance.</p>
<p>and opterons kick ass.</p>
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amd is king in basically all applications.
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BS
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but will also probably allow amd to surpass intel's e6800 in performance.
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have you seen conroe tests? the e6800 beats the living daylight out of fx-62, even the middle model in line, e6600, beats it in almost every task. amd will have an incredibly hard time matching this performance, i'm not even talking about surpassing.
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and opterons kick ass.
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so what?</p>
<p>The FX-64 just has the AM2 and higher clock speed.</p>
<p>Actually the Dual Core Xeon's can outperform Opterons. Servers aren't that good, if you wanted a stronger system, you should have gotten FX.</p>
<p>The only big thing AMD/Intel is releasing is Quad Core Servers in January/First Quarter of 2007. That is after the release of Core Duo 2.</p>
<p>Intel Netburst suck. AMD king for 5 years. Conroe come. Now Intel king.</p>
<p>Yeah, that sums it up pretty nicely.</p>
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"Actually the Dual Core Xeon's can outperform Opterons. Servers aren't that good, if you wanted a stronger system, you should have gotten FX."
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<p>Since when? Opteron's a dirt cheap compared to Xeon's (especially single core), overclock better, are widely available, and come in 939.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.aspx?i=2745&p=4%5B/url%5D">http://www.anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.aspx?i=2745&p=4</a>
<a href="http://www11.sap.com/solutions/benchmark/index.epx%5B/url%5D">http://www11.sap.com/solutions/benchmark/index.epx</a>
<a href="http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2397&p=1%5B/url%5D">http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2397&p=1</a> (old)</p>
<p>Take a look at these:
<a href="http://techreport.com/reviews/2003q3/opteron-146/index.x?pg=11%5B/url%5D">http://techreport.com/reviews/2003q3/opteron-146/index.x?pg=11</a>
(Keep in mind a Opteron 146 is vastly cheaper than a Dual Xeon and can be overclocked at least 700mhz).</p>