**PSAT Discussion Thread 2015**

I’m so confused. I got the Stanford but no TASP. I already got a 2330 on the real SAT so these agencies are definitely looking at PSAT when sending their letters :frowning:

@mathyone in that case the school is ACTING for the student in an agency relationship. Nothing is “free” folks - the student’s family pays either through property taxes or via a direct fee (as we do). In any case, that arrangement is between the students’ families and the relevant school or school district and has nothing to do with the CB providing a service and meeting a deadline.

Edit/Update: AND respecting the relationship. I think the current “delay” is more of a “we know best” tactic. They need more time to get you YOUR information the way THEY want it and so are holding up YOUR results. While deciding to release it to others. Think about that for a bit. Sorry about all the CAPS but I want to emphasize that this is the property of the students and not CB nor TASP nor anyone else’s. When you checked that box you did NOT authorized them to release to others five weeks prior to you knowing anything about how you did. Good faith allows for all information to be released generally together within a reasonable time frame. IMHO.

Sure, it’s paid for by taxes. But our kids have taken many standardized tests over the years and results were always given to the school first. Yes, I wish it were handled differently, but I don’t see any procedural difference between the PSAT and all the other tests in that the schools get the scores first and release as they see fit to the students. I think some of ours came with the report cards.

@quietdesperation The CB sends universities the contact information of students who fall in the score range specified by the university. I am sure that Stanford, Brown et al. asked for the email addresses of students with high scores. However, we do not know exactly how high.

@pokemon1 No one knows how high the TASP cutoff was in your area, so you can’t make any deductions about your PSAT scores from the fact that you did not receive a TASP invitation. If you already scored 2330 SAT, then I don’t think you should worry about your PSAT scores. In any case, anyone who wants can apply to TASP. The invitations are just to encourage certain people to apply.

@mathyone Here are the differences:
(1) College Board has a written schedule of score release dates that it is not respecting. How can reneging on a commitment be of benefit to students?
(2) College Board seems to be releasing the scores to OUTSIDE AGENCIES (e.g., Telluride Association) before it is releasing the scores to the students or the students’ schools. How can giving the PSAT scores to Telluride Association before CB gives the scores to students OR TO THEIR SCHOOLS be justified?
(3) The fact that some schools traditionally gave the PSAT scores to students in late January does not mean that this was generally the case. My students got their PSAT scores, booklets, and a conference with the guidance counselor by December 10, and certainly before Christmas break. This is the first time that PSAT scores (and test booklets) were not given by mid-December.

@mathyone PSAT doesn’t profess to have that relationship that you specify - especially not this year. They professed to be wanting the student to have MORE access to their information sooner. Yes, the schools got your info. one day prior but that was disclosed prior to the administration of this test. And again this has nothing to do with those outside parties. They aren’t your agent. They are trying to get you to enroll in their programs - they are MARKETING to you. And they likely pay CB some big bucks for those lists. Which contract is more fundamental to the purpose of the College Board? Seems to me that yours would be and yet they honored the other contract instead. Hmm.

@pokemon1 this year PSAT score and NMSF selection index are different. If TASP sends emails based on PSAT score then it’s possible that students that score extremely high in reading/writing but not so high in math won’t get TASP email but still will qualify for NMSF. My understanding that NMSF selection index doubles weigt of reading/writing portion. Previous years PSAT & NMSF scores were calcuated the same. Of course it is possible that TASP sends emails based on its own metric. I wish the whole process was more transparent.

okok let’s face it, CB did commit some wrongdoings here. It’s frustrating and unethical, in my opinion. But what are were going to do? Sue them? I’m more concerned about what this TASP invitation indicates about my PSAT score. What do you all think?

@dazedaura Those who think they might have cause to register a complaint with the College Board should feel free to do so. It’s not like they are going to dock your score as a result (if you are worried, then wait to see your scores first). Your immediate question will be answered in a few weeks but if CB doesn’t hear from it’s customers on this issue then they will have no reason to change their behavior in the future. And next time it’ll be your SAT score that they appropriate.

@Plotinus I could be wrong but I don’t think that CB has ever specifically set a release date for scores. They always cover their backs by stating that scores are “generally” released by x date. So I am not sure there is a contractual obligation to do anything but provide you with a score in their own timeframe.

I am not trying to defend CB in any manner. They have seriously dropped the ball on many fronts this season. Given the delay that traditionally follows on releasing the PSAT scores in our school district, I am not looking to receive anything until February.

As for who received what letter…I am not taking stock in who got what this year. This was my D18’s first PSAT she has received the Stanford, U of Chicago, Brown and Brandies letters, she claims to have not even finished all the questions on certain sections of the test (although do I understand that they are only counting the answered questions this year like the ACT does?) and I am 100% confident that her score was in not way spectacular.

Bingo. I’d like the girls to start their adult life not crushed beneath a mountain of debt. That’s why we asked them to study hard for the PSAT-not for bragging rights (because that’s bad karma in our house), but to set the foundation for a life as close to debt-free and obligation-free as they can get. It’s all about life options for us.

@labegg

The CB PSAT score release schedule has been changed. The January 7 release is the “updated” schedule.

https://web.archive.org/web/20151018120530/https://collegereadiness.collegeboard.org/psat-nmsqt-psat-10/k12-educators/psat-nmsqt-dates

"December

Scores released online."

Huh… I did some snooping around, and it seems as if @Plotinus is correct. I do not know how trustworthy this is, but from a 2007 Yale student magazine (which was created in 1967), an article coming from a former TASP student wrote that “Applications are mailed to those who score in the 99th percentile of the PSAT”. Maybe this changed this year because of the new PSAT, but then again, maybe the TASP stayed consistent and sent emails to the 99th percentile.

Also, studentscholarshipsearch.com says that TASP selects from the top 1 percent as well. Assuming 1.6 million juniors took the PSAT this year (it was around that in 2014), that means only around 16,000 people received the TASP email, if the above information is reliable. But are these 16,000 NMSF?

According to what some people have said, there may be some who aren’t in the 99th percentile but still can get NMSF because of high Selection Index scores. However, how many people will this happen to? Is the chance of that happening high? IMO, I think maybe 1,000 people max out of the 16,000 NMSF will fall into this situation. But maybe I’m wrong. Who knows if this TASP is legitimate?

Here are the websites:
http://www.thenewjournalatyale.com/2007/04/paradise-lost/
http://www.studentscholarshipsearch.com/scholarships/telluride-association-summer-programs.php

https://web.archive.org/web/20151018121835/https://collegereadiness.collegeboard.org/psat-nmsqt-psat-10/k12-educators/sharing-results

“Score Release Schedule
Scores for the 2015 PSAT/NMSQT will be available online about two months after test day. Schools will receive paper score reports about a month later.”

Perhaps 99th percentile nationwide is different from 99th percentile in-state. This could be cause for a discrepancy between NMSF and those that received TASP?

Why doesn’t someone who got the TASP letter call TASP and ask what their PSAT score was?

“Perhaps 99th percentile nationwide is different from 99th percentile in-state.” Yes, it is quite different. That is why the cutoffs vary widely from state to state.

If the TASP email is given to those either 99% in state/nationwide, this means that pretty much everyone who was a NMSF should have received an email in previous years. Of course, many people may not remember getting these emails, but I wonder if there’s people who could attest to this.

I thought I scored pretty high (I got a 2350 on the SAT too), but I don’t think I got the tasp email, only the stanford, brown, etc. Also, I live in California, which is one of the highest cutoffs :confused:

If that worked that would be an epic end-runaround…

@MichiganGeorgia I’m pretty sure that the CB only gives students’ name that fall within a range of scores, not specifically which student received which score.