<p>That certainly adds to the discussion. You’re very clever. ;)</p>
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<p>Well, SUNY’s system is odd, in that it does not have one flagship as most states do. But it does have four very fine universities–Binghamton, Buffalo, Albany and Stonybrook. I believe all 4 are USNWR top 100. And I agree, Binghamton certainly would not be the SAME experience as Penn State. But recognize that some students/parents might prefer a school that is not as large as PSU, with students that are as bright or brighter (based on SAT scores anyway) than at PSU, and where there is not as much emphasis on sports as there is at PSU. I’m not arguing that either experience is better, they actually are very different places. What I am arguing (or speculating), getting back to the OP’s question on PSU’s ranking, is that I do not think it would be surprising if what has happened pushed some OOS parents to say that it does not make sense to pay double when I have an in state alternative that academically is just as good. The thing I might have been wiling to pay more for (the environment, the Paterno aura, and yes, the football) just don’t seem to be there in quite the same way anymore. In terms of Rutgers vs Penn State–again, I am from Connecticut and so somewhat removed, but to me the only difference between the two is that Penn State has better football teams. My kids might have more fun there, but I have no reason to believe that they would get a better education than they would at Rutgers.</p>
<p>My point was that PSU would probably not lose that many applicants from NY/NJ. Of course I “recognize that some students/parents might prefer a school that is not as large as PSU, with students that are as bright or brighter (based on SAT scores anyway) than at PSU, and where there is not as much emphasis on sports as there is at PSU.” They will not be lost to PSU because they likely would not have attended (or even applied) in the first place.</p>
<p>No it’s not. Penn State is an average state school with 40,000 students and numerous branch campuses. It is a big box store. </p>
<p>OSU Football recently vacated their 2010 season, is banned from post-season play for a year and is currently on probation.</p>
<p>You are welcome to your opinion.</p>
<p>quote: But it does have four very fine universities–Binghamton, Buffalo, Albany and Stonybrook. I believe all 4 are USNWR top 100.</p>
<p>Binghamton is the only one of those schools that’s in the top 100 (#90). Unless you count Geneseo but that’s 8th in the region. As a New York resident, I could say that Penn State U-Park is far more superior academically then the SUNY schools. Even Binghamton the most elite SUNY is behind it. I know a lot of academically bright students from my h.s in the year before me picked Penn State over Binghamton (such as myself), and other top SUNY schools. So I don’t think that Penn State has a weak footing in NY. When I say I go to Penn State over here, people don’t even mention the scandal instead they say, wow or that’s excellent, etc. So what I experienced Penn State has a very positive image in NY.</p>
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Well, we can’t ALL go to Tulane, can we?</p>
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<p>LOL! New Orleans native here. Never even considered Tulane for myself or my kids. But I was on the faculty of Tulane’s Med School (School of Public Health) for several years.</p>
<p>DS#1 had many excellent schools to choose from (Purdue, Illinois, VA Tech, GA Tech) but he choose Penn State because of the quality of the program he was pursuing and the small-town campus environment. Getting into the Honors College was just icing on the cake. He will be a junior next year (3+ years to go for the joint BS/MS) and loves the school and being part of the Penn State Blue Band - altho he is rather lukewarm on football. For him, football games are just a venue for him to play and perform for a crowd.</p>
<p>He traveled a great deal in the late fall and spring (numerous airports to get to Indiana and Texas) and almost always wore his PSU Blue Band sweatshirt. He never had anything but positive and supportive comments from people. Even now, traveling with a major drum & bugle corps, he wears his Penn State cap and has yet to hear a negative comment. </p>
<p>Evidently, MOST people are able to distinguish between this horrible tragedy and the students and academic programs of the university.</p>
<p>This subject has nothing to do with Tulane so I’m not sure what your point is. Your statement is very true, however. A very low percentage of students in the Penn State system would have gained admission to Tulane. I’d guess maybe 10%. That isn’t a very relevant. My point was that Penn State should not be compare to Notre Dame. </p>
<p>The fact that the majority of you don’t recognize the problem shows that you are still under the spell of Penn State football.</p>
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And your objection seems to be on academic grounds (hence my Tulane comment), whereas I was talking about big football schools, of which Notre Dame is certainly one. The fact that you think that there is a “spell of Penn State football” tells me that you have no idea what you are talking about. These were men committing crimes to protect their own positions and reputations, not for or on behalf of any sport, school, or community - they were willing to condemn all of the above for their own benefit, and thinking that we would support them in this is lunacy.</p>
<p>Did someone say Penn State has elite academics? HAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAH</p>
<p>quote: Did someone say Penn State has elite academics?</p>
<p>I don’t know, ranked 45 in the nation, 13th amongst public schools, considered to be a public ivy. What credentials does your school have?</p>
<p>Let’s keep this whole thing in perspective. The administrators were most at fault, and they will soon have criminal trials. Not a single student or current faculty member was to blame for the scandal.</p>
<p>Penn state is is decent school, but Elite is not a word that should be used. Elite in my opinion should be the top schools. I would not consider Top 50 Elite, more like top 10. Not trying to hate on your school though, I just think that elite is kinda much.</p>
<p>Okay that’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it. However, you can’t say that it’s not one of the top schools in the country academically. I would say it’s more then decent but that’s my opinion.</p>
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How do you explain the decision to allow a student to film practice on a 50-ft high lift in 50mph wind gusts?
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<p>LC82 - OMG! I had not heard about this. How horribly sad.</p>
<p>PSU’s mission is not to be an elite, selective, expensive, top ranked university (UPENN does that). PSU is a large flagship and their mission is to provide a quality, low cost education to the masses. This is what state flagships should be doing for it’s IS students and is no easy task. The USNWR ranking should not be a top concern to large flagship schools.</p>
<p>Quote: PSU is a large flagship and their mission is to provide a quality, low cost education to the masses.</p>
<p>You’re making it out to be like they accept anyone though. If you look at the average SAT/GPA of the accepted students, they’re competitive numbers. Not like UPENN of course but still. Plus if you look at the U.S news ranking it’s classified as more selective.</p>