<p>Alexandre, I agree with all on your list except Indiana -- only two of its schools, IMHO, are of "ivy" caliber: the music school & Kelley Business. </p>
<p>Top 8 Public Ivies:</p>
<p>Cal Berkeley
Georgia Tech
Illinois U-C
Michigan
North Carolina
Virginia
UCLA
Wisconsin</p>
<p>Three to watch: Penn State, Maryland and UCSD</p>
<p>First of all, the term "Public Ivy" was first coined by writer William Faulkner to describe The University of Virginia. </p>
<p>Secondly, the usage of "Public Ivies" came into vogue because of Richard Moll's book "The Public Ivy's: A Guide to America's Best Public Undergraduate Colleges and Universities." Moll included the University of California system, UVa, UNC, UMich, William & Mary, and Miami University (located in Ohio.) Since this publication's release in the 80's, some public schools can argue that they also deserve the moniker "public ivy."</p>
<p>There's a new book called "Public Ivies," which basically lists almost every flagship public university in the U.S. Personally, I think doing that just dilutes the term, but hey, there's no such things as a Public Ivy League, so debating who belongs is a moot argument anyway.</p>
<p>Sorry collegeparent but at least in my highschool anyone got into Wisconsin and Georgia Tech (low SAT scores and pretty low GPAs), to my knowledge not very selective at all same with Penn State and MD they are huge and not selective at all...most ivy leagues are small like UVA and W&M and have the top-research opportunities like UMich, UCLA and Cal, UNC chapel is an amazing school but with 80% Carolina population it makes it soo regional and anyone from NC can get into the school...they say anyone can easily tell who's out of state and from NC due to the difference in motivation/smarts.</p>
<p>Wmrocks -- gotta agree with you about Wisconsin as well as W&M -- since the OP wanted eight universities, I obliged with the ones a certain consensus has agreed to. However, to lessen the list and add a public college such as W&M, it'd have to be (for out-of-staters since the bar is raised so high for them) as follows: UVa, Cal, Michigan, UNC, UCLA and W&M.</p>
<p>Wmrocks, you are a petty elitist. Please explain how a non elite school like Wisconsin has had several graduates win Nobel prizes compared to ZERO at UVa, produced the same number of corporate CEO's as Harvard--most of any state or private school, many Pulitzer prize winners, etc. Some kids are late bloomers and thrive when they find an area that interests them. UW is committed to providing a top educational opportunity to a broader range of students than some schools but there are plenty of top students at UW. UW's leadership in research compared with a small school like W&M provides much more opportunity for students to be involved with cutting edge research in every area imaginable.</p>
<p>No list of top public schools can exist without Wisconsin-Madison and Texas-Austin.</p>
<p>All the UC's especially Cal (Berkeley), UCLA, UC San Diego, and UC Davis. This is the best public University system in the world. Then there are some other great Public Universities, in Texas, Virginia, Michigan and Wisconsin. </p>
<p>New York's Public University system hit the skids after Rockerfeller left, but they do have the public colleges at Cornell which are the best deal in education today (if you reside in New York.)</p>
<p>Of course the best school is the one that accepts you and you are a great fit to and that may well be a school none of us has mentioned.</p>
<p>Touche, Mr. B, Touche</p>
<p>The public Ivies list (non-comprehensive)....feel free to add as neccessary.</p>
<p>Cal Berkeley
Georgia Tech
Illinois U-C
UT Austin
Michigan-AA, Dearborn, Flint
North Carolina
Virginia
UCLA
UCSA
Wisconsin
UCDavis
William and Mary
Rutgers
Suny Buffalo
UC Santa Cruz</p>
<p>...please append as you see fit :) All are "public ivies"</p>
<p>I agree with Alexandre about UT-Austin...they do have a top-ranked law school and Barrons, haha I'm not an etilist...all i'm saying is being the valedictorian of my high school class, I simply refuse to go to the same college as #200 in my class. The average highschool G.P.A for both UVA and W&M is 4.0, that you should really tell you about the quality of the student body and please take a look at who has graduated from there, you'll be impressed.</p>
<p>The Ivy League is composed of 8 schools, no more no less.</p>
<p>There are NO other Ivy League schools. They are just schools</p>
<p>Rutgers? NO</p>
<p>Berkeley is a GREAT school, but it is not Ivy League (well, maybe their graduate programs, :))</p>
<p>wmrocks, why would you refuse to go to a university that has some average students? The top 25% of Wisconsin would give you a run for your money...and only the top 20% of the students at Wisconsin are given As. I know many top students who thought they would fly at schools like Wisconsin but ended up struggling to maintain 3.4 or 3.5 GPAs.</p>
<p>Oh...ok...well I have a 3.8 at W&M even though W&M is known to be one of the toughest schools and known for grade deflation. All I'm saying is I worked hard in high school to get into an above average school. I couldn't go do Duke for financial reasons and I'm here at W&M which satisfies me academically.</p>
<p>Actually, W&M and Virginia both have average GPAs around 3.2 IIRC - on the high side for a public school. Granted neither of them have big engineering programs (and W&M has none), but neither does Chapel Hill and its average GPA is about a 3.0.</p>
<p>wmrocks, W&M is not merely "above average". It is an excellent university...and so is Wisconsin.</p>
<p>just to clarify some Ivy League urban legends:</p>
<p>-Rutgers was never invited to the ivy league</p>
<p>-Georgetown was never invited to the ivy league (although some Gtown students claim this - they don't have an open invitation to join)</p>
<ul>
<li>For many years Army (the United States Military Academy) and Navy (the United States Naval Academy) were considered members, but dropped out shortly before FORMAL organization in 1945. </li>
</ul>
<p>-Colgate University was initially interested in being included in the Ivy league agreement, but talks ended before the 1945 agreement was approved.</p>
<p>I think Delaware and Rutgers are sometimes likened to Ivies because they are relatively old. Delaware I am prety sure was founded around 1740 and Rutgers was definitely pre-independence...even pre-1770. In short, they are two of the three olders State universities.</p>
<p>I was admitted to both WM and Wisconsin (along with others). For financial reasons I went to Wisconsin. Other then slightly higher admission statistics, I don't see any reason to rank WM as a better school. wmrocks is unable to identify what outside of GPA/SAT makes it such a superior school. </p>
<p>Anyone inside the "know" of academia understands why they are both good schools. I see no advantage. </p>
<p>Anyone outside the "'know" has never heard of W/M. Atleast, not outside the east.</p>
<p>Haha...ok whatever...no one has heard of W&M outside of the east coast...is only the second oldest school of the United States and the student population is about 40% out of state, almost all of the Founding Fathers attended W&M...anyway believe what you want, we are all entitled to our own opinions and please show me where the average GPAs for UVA and W&M are 3.2s...that's some major BS.</p>
<p>suny-binghamton: the ivy of the suny schools!</p>