<p>I don't want to keep the argument going but 5 of my friends (all from the same CC) got accepted for fall 06 this spring... not one of them has bellow a 4.0... now, I understand there is no gpa minimum but gathering the statistics makes it look pretty black and white. </p>
<p>I was pretty shocked to hear <em>so</em> many people I knew actually got in considering they only have about 80 spaces in the program each year. </p>
<p>But best of luck to you!</p>
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now, I understand there is no gpa minimum but gathering the statistics makes it look pretty black and white.
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Gathering the statistics? You mean your extremely limited view consisting of an insigificant amount of applicants and admits? Or do you mean the actual statistics?</p>
<p>Quote by gabe: Many without a 4.0 get in. </p>
<p>You mean your extremely limited view consisting of an insigificant amount of applicants and admits? (sorry gabe, i stole your quote) The majority of the people who got in had 4.0 gpas.</p>
<p>And i think veralyn was using an expression. She basically meant that getting in without a 4.0 is very difficult.</p>
<p>McChowder, first of all, do you have a statistic that says "the majority of the people who got in had 4.0s"? That is a very clear statement that can be tested; where is the statistic? </p>
<p>I said that "many without a 4.0 get in." "Many" could be 10, 20, 30, 40... . You said a majority had 4.0s: prove it.</p>
<p>Just giving a taste of your own medicine boy genius. Many could mean 1,000 or a million. You are too vague. A better more accurate statement would have been "some". I think 5 of 80 people getting in w/4.0 is more factual and relevant than your "many without a 4.0"</p>
<p>5 of 80
many of 80</p>
<p>It's basic logic, don't you think?</p>
<p>another quote by gabe:And a 4.0 college gpa does not equal a 4.0 or 4.1 or whatever high school gpa. Let's not get into the whole high school versus transfer applicant difficulty/easiness thing.</p>
<p>Aznboi never said a 4.0 in college equals a 4.1 h.s. gpa. He said "so I guess Berkeley Haas is just as difficult as getting into say UCLA or Berkeley from out of HS."</p>
<p>Quote by gabe again:
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This year, only two were accepted from my college. They both had 4.0's. Period. </p>
<p>Wonderful, clearly you were basing your conclusion on quite a bit of evidence"</p>
<p>2 people he knows is much better evidence than "many without 4.0's"</p>
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A better more accurate statement would have been "some".
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You're not serious, are you? </p>
<p>Not one of your contentions has been backed up by statistical evidence. My main point is that a student with less than 4.0 should not be discouraged at all from applying to Haas. That has been done on this forum in the past. Unless someone steps forward with real statistical evidence, the discussion shouldn't even begin.</p>
<p>another quote by genius boy wonder:
Yes, you are using personal, subjective evidence instead of statistics. The bottom line is that a great high school record doesn't always lead to college success;</p>
<p>You contradicted yourself; if you were to use statistics, then the bottom line is that a great high school record almost always leads to college success.</p>
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You contradicted yourself; if you were to use statistics, then the bottom line is that a great high school record almost always leads to college success.
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Ahahaha--Again, are you serious? It is very, very, very difficult to predict college academic success. Even the combination of SATs, gpa, etc. proves to barely be a significant indicator. I'm not sure if there is even any statistical significance to grades alone. I think we have revealed another faulty assumption. But feel free to provide the actual statistical evidence to disprove me. Adding statistics to this discussion will certainly be useful to those who need advice.</p>
<p>Yes, some would be the best word you could have used considering you don't know anyone who did get in w/below a 4.0. I, and most people I assume, believe you are misleading mamagochi with the word "many". If you used the word "some", mamagochi would know that people w/ a gpa below 4.0 do get in, but this case would be more rare than someone w/ a 4.0.</p>
<p>quote by boy genuis:
Ahahaha--Again, are you serious? It is very, very, very difficult to predict college academic success. Even the combination of SATs, gpa, etc. proves to barely be a significant indicator. I'm not sure if there is even any statistical significance to grades alone. I think we have revealed another faulty assumption.</p>
<p>The key word is "not sure". You're not sure, so that makes my argument "another faulty assumption". LOL.</p>
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Yes, some would be the best word you could have used considering you don't know anyone who did get in w/below a 4.0.
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AGAIN, are you kidding...? Another faulty assumption. I know numerous students who got in to Haas without a 4.0; of course, I have not introduced that evidence because limited personal evidence should not be used.</p>
<p>quote by the boy genius:
But feel free to provide the actual statistical evidence to disprove me. Adding statistics to this discussion will certainly be useful to those who need advice.</p>
<p>Although you never once provided statistical evidence w/your arguments u believe to be facts, yet you discredit everyone else's advice on the basis that they do not have statistical evidence. Kinda hypocritical don't you think?</p>
<p>quote:I know numerous students who got in to Haas without a 4.0; of course, I have not introduced that evidence because limited personal evidence should not be used.</p>
<p>IC, IC. So "many" is good evidence, but actual numbers should not be used. What do u think statistics is. LMAO. Most of statistics is sample data used to represent a larger group.</p>
<p>I give up. I dont think boy genius will ever learn to stop being too critical even when i try to show him what it's like when someone does it to him. LMAO. And I guess he will live the rest of his life believing his opinions automatically become fact, and anyone else's opinions are automatically false which need "statistical evidence" to raise it above "false status". I just want to say one thing. PLZ TRY TO BE NICE. When someone gives advice which u disagree on, just say nicely, " i dont think its like that, its like this".</p>
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Although you never once provided statistical evidence w/your arguments u believe to be facts, yet you discredit everyone else's advice on the basis that they do not have statistical evidence. Kinda hypocritical don't you think?
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My focus was illuminating the conclusions everyone else made without having sufficient evidence. </p>
<p>The point of using statistics is getting a big picture, not a limited, biased view, as personal numbers are in this case. Not only are the numbers too small, but the size of the picture being viewed as well--only looking at one particular school, your particular peer group, etc.</p>
<p>"My focus was illuminating the conclusions everyone else made without having sufficient evidence. "</p>
<p>I don't remember anybody telling the OP not to apply if he did not have a 4.0. I know I certainly did not. A lot of us were simply trying to convey how competitive it is to get in and that the OP should be prepared. You seem to have a chip on your shoulder the size of Texas. Just relax we are here to help each other. Stop looking for a fight Gabe.</p>
<p>Well, do they look at OVERALL GPA at all classes taken in CC, or they look at just the specific class they required you to take on the list(assist.org).</p>
<p>i think i got the information about transfering GPA.</p>
<p>The link above has the transfer statisticc from 2005 - 2006.
Only 500 out of the 1176 people are eligible, and 90 people out of the 500 got it.</p>
<p>Average GPA was 3.90</p>
<p>from that i can tell that 4.0 doesn't mean a garuentee admission, they look at other things like community service and leadership skills i guess.</p>