<p>I've applied to Penn ED but I've also applied nonbinding EA to a few other schools. I was wondering, if I get accepted into Penn but the results for one of my colleges come out at the end of January. Will I still be able to see my acceptance or not?</p>
<p>No. Penn’s ED reply date is 1/5/2015. You will have had to withdraw your outstanding applications by that time.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.admissions.upenn.edu/apply/applicant_homepage”>http://www.admissions.upenn.edu/apply/applicant_homepage</a></p>
<p>Yeah I knew that. But I will still be able to see my acceptances before that right? </p>
<p>don’t succumb to the vanity. If you’re in Penn ED, then you got what you wanted, right? Do you need more approbations?</p>
<p>Lol. Yeah I guess.</p>
<p>It really is better this way. By withdrawing, accepted students open up places at other schools for other candidates.</p>
<p>Yeah I want to withdraw if I get into Penn 
I’m just not sure if Penn’ll take me. </p>
<p>I don’t think they let you withdraw if you apply ED</p>
<p>I mean I’ll have to withdraw from other schools if I apply ED to Penn. </p>
<p>Penn’s ED notification date is likely December 15th based on previous years.</p>
<p>My son has various ED and EA notification dates, there is no reason why one would hold up the other.</p>
<p>My understanding about ED at Penn is that they will withdraw your application to Penn if you apply <em>ED</em> elsewhere, but <em>not</em> if you apply EA elsewhere. You will have to recall your EA apps if you get accepted to Penn, but if you are rejected or waitlisted, you can wait to see what your EA apps resulted in.</p>
<p>As far as I can tell, Penn ED is rather onerous compared to other schools, which is why we gave up on it. He would have applied if he could have applied to Penn and another school ED2 and then withdrawn his ED2 application if accepted to Penn. But literally it seems that if he applied to both ED and ED2, Penn would have withdrawn his application and he would only have the ED2.</p>
<p>Penn is driving away students by saying that, other schools just say “you have to go to ours” and if the ED2 date is near the Penn decision date but not past it, why would they force kids to choose in that way? </p>
<p>Well yeah I only applied to Penn ED and a few others EA. </p>
<p>I haven’t done any kind of comprehensive search on this, but don’t most ED2 schools accept ED2 applications after the ED1 decisions come out? Isn’t that pretty much the whole point of ED2? So why is it a problem not to apply to an ED2 school until after you receive the Penn ED1 decision? (I understand it’s annoying, but it’s not more than annoying. It’s not a substantive problem.)</p>
<p>I also want to point out that, if you are accepted ED, that does not mean you are committed to enroll at your ED college, and you must immediately withdraw all other pending applications. It means that you will have about two weeks to accept or reject the offer of admission (a time period which can sometimes be extended if you have a good reason for it), and you will have to withdraw your other applications only if you accept the ED college’s offer. As a practical matter, you will hear from any EA colleges that render decisions in December before you have to say yes or no definitively to the ED college, and what you know about your EA acceptances may influence what you do about the ED acceptance.</p>
<p>People will say, “But if you apply ED, you are committed to attend that college if you are accepted, unless the financial aid does not meet your need!” And that’s sort of true, except that there’s no real mechanism to enforce that, and no college will even attempt to force you to enroll if you reject it’s offer of admission within the time period allowed. The college admissions office may get angry at your school’s GC, and your school’s GC may get angry at you, and some GCs go to lengths to ensure that their students never turn down ED acceptances. And it’s not the most honorable thing to do to compare ED and EA acceptances, and to turn down the ED college. Very, very few people do that, when push comes to shove. But no one will stop you if that’s what you want to do.</p>
<p>No, there is absolutely no coordination. Penn ED will not give their decision before the ED2 date from the other school, and Penn says they will withdraw their app if he applied ED, even ED2, when they have his app.</p>
<p>And honestly, where have you heard ED is not binding and you don’t have to withdraw all applications? With the Common App, first you cannot submit ED to more than one school. Next, if you get an ED acceptance, ALL your other applications are immediately cancelled. It is automatic.</p>
<p>If you have knowledge from somewhere else about sitting on an ED acceptance indefinitely, please let us know. The fact that you say you didn’t know that ED and ED2 dates aren’t all over the place shows your knowledge.</p>
<p>“Next, if you get an ED acceptance, ALL your other applications are immediately cancelled. It is automatic.”</p>
<p>This is absolutely not true. There are many students who have to turn down an ED acceptance when they get the Financial Aid award and it is not affordable. Any other applications that have been submitted will not change or be withdrawn. The only way an app is withdrawn is if the student contacts the school and withdraws it.</p>
<p>Yea that’s what I’m saying. I’ll most likely have to go to Penn if I get in but I can see some of my other EA acceptances and then withdraw them. </p>
<p>rhandco: There have been years and years (and pages upon pages) of threads on CC about what the ED commitment actually means. What I think I know changed about 170 degrees based on what I learned from those threads.</p>
<p>Of course you cannot submit more than one ED application at a time. But there is no “automatic” cancellation of anyone’s applications, and no process by which that could be accomplished. </p>
<p>I have never seen an ED2 deadline that was before December 31, and I have never seen an ED1 decision date that late.</p>
<p>Here is what the standard ED agreement used to say:</p>
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<p>I gather the language may have been tweaked some, but the fact remains that there is no neutral process for determining the adequacy of a financial aid offer, and no college is interested in litigating with a family over the adequacy of a financial aid offer, so in the end an offer is adequate if the applicant’s family says it is. Also, as a practical matter, the college cannot present students with an acceptance and an often-complex financial aid offer and demand immediate response. They have to, and do, give families a couple of weeks to think it over. In theory, applicants who do not apply for financial aid are immediately bound by an ED acceptance, but in practice the colleges give them time to accept the offer, too. I haven’t actually heard of a non-aid-seeking ED acceptee turning down the offer – why would they? – but it’s almost impossible to imagine a college insisting that a student who says he doesn’t want to go there must attend. </p>
<p>I do not know of anyone “sitting on an ED acceptance indefinitely.” I do know of people who have gotten meaningful extensions of time to accept or reject an ED offer while they negotiate with the college over financial aid and try to figure out if they can swing it. I know of people who have turned down an ED acceptance because they have a better offer from an EA or rolling admissions college. Very, very few of those – in the end, ED works because kids really do want to attend that college, and want the process to be over, and can live with the financial aid they are given – but the sky does not fall down when it happens.</p>
<p>I do think colleges would respond harshly to someone who accepted the ED offer but kept other applications alive to see whether maybe something better would come along. That’s clearly forbidden, and I think that would draw some real anger, and raise questions about the student’s character.</p>
<p>Apart from that, the discipline, if any, may come from your high school GC. They – and future classes of students – are the ones who suffer if a college admissions department thinks students at your school may play games with ED. I have heard of THEM notifying the other colleges, etc., and refusing to send transcripts other than to the ED college.</p>
<p>@thepariah,
On 12/15/14, you will find out if you got accepted, deferred to RD pool, or rejected from Penn. You have to respond to penn by 1/5/15 whether you are accepting their acceptance. Any EA acceptances that roll in from now until 1/5/15 are available for you to enjoy and feel smug about. But come 1/5/15, you must accept penn’s acceptance (if financially able), withdraw the remaining apps and then not know where you stood on any of them. So basically you can see any EA acceptance that you receive before 1/5/15.</p>
<p>@yohoyoho ya that’s what I was trying to say. Cool </p>