<p>I lived in New England for a year last year and it was hands down the most racist place I’ve ever been. A lot of people had never met a real black person before and maybe they wouldn’t say it to your face but they were definitely more racist as a whole. I personally think that getting followed around in stores because I’m half black (which has actually never happened here in Texas) constitutes racism. I think people are less open about it in the north if they are racist but there are a lot more closet racists. And you can’t say that slavery proves racism. People in the north didn’t have huge plantations that needed workers like the south did so they didn’t have as much of a need for slaves.</p>
<p>^ Factories could’ve used slave labor too.</p>
<p>^I’ll admit that the Boston area is actually pretty bad racism wise. Most of you have obviously never been to the upper midwest, though. Most pleasant place to live in the country.</p>
<p>First, I don’t agree with what AUGirl said about South Carolina being less racist than northern states, however the level of tolerance overall in the south is just the same, if not higher than that in the north. I am loath to throw out the word politically correct- but that’s really what I’ve experienced in the north. I think this thread is an ironically good example of that: northerners broadly categorizing southerners as being people who… broadly categorize people of certain races. </p>
<p>Second, that thing about blacks not being allowed into fraternities at Ole Miss is completely false. Although because of cultural reasons the Greek system is very wealthy and WASP dominated, blacks are certainly allowed to join.</p>
<p>Edit: In response to eziamm’s previous post, I’m mostly referring to New England. I haven’t been around the midwest enough to draw conclusions, and everywhere I have been west of the Mississippi has far surpassed the east coast as a whole on a level of tolerance.</p>
<p>For real. Kansas and Illinois is heaven.</p>
<p>Because of cultural reasons, the “top” frats only allow white people from Mississippi in. They figure out their pledge classes before the school year even starts. That is true and confirmed a countless number of times.</p>
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Eh, Kansas gets pretty damn boring. Chicago and Minneapolis is where it’s at. Wisconsin’s a little, well, you’d have to be there to get it but…never move to Wisconsin. Except maybe Madison, that’s a pretty nice town.</p>
<p>^ Wisconsin…blah. I hate the Badgers (more like Vadgers)</p>
<p>“Factories could’ve used slave labor too.”</p>
<p>The thing is they didn’t because the common thought was that slaves were too stupid to operate machinery and those were some of the main jobs for white men and if slaves took their jobs where would they work?</p>
<p>I’m sorry, this thread has lost me. What are we discussing?</p>
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You just pulled that out of your ass didn’t you? Black men and white men worked in the factories. It’s just that after work black men went home instead of getting whipped. You’re fighting a losing battle. Just stop and think about what you’re saying for a second: In the 1800’s the north who had and supported full civil rights for blacks were just as racist as the south who went to war against the USA to try to maintain the right to own slaves…huh?</p>
<p>Ok, if you’ve lived in the North your whole life please don’t tell us southerners how we are because you don’t know. Guess what we’re not all the same, we differ by state. I love the word y’all because “you guys” get irritating. All the northerners at my school kill me with that “you guys” stuff and New Jersey and Boston accents are awful.
There wasn’t slave labor in the factories (for the majority), because those were white jobs ecspecially for european immigrants. My Italian great-grandfather worked in a shoe factory in NYC. No blacks worked there. Mississippi & SC are racist states. Not as bad as they use to be, but that goes for all states.</p>
<p>Forget the North or the South, I’m aiming for CA (:</p>
<p>I’m a Texan, but no, definitely never heard anyone call it that. There is definitely still racism, but that’s true pretty much everywhere. My school is pretty bad as far as it goes (the school itself, not really the students) our mascot is the rebels, we had the confederate flag as the school flag until they changed it 15 years ago or so (still looks very confederate), and other things are very confederate like that.</p>
<p>I definitely like southern accents better than northern accents though.</p>
<p>Jai–I’m fine with everything you said except about y’all/you guys. Please don’t come to the north and insist upon using the “word” y’all. Nothing will bug northerners more. Oh, and soda up here is pop. I guess in the south you call everything coke…that’s a brand.</p>
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<p>Hahahahahaah North, supporting full rights for blacks. You’re funny, bro.</p>
<p>American Pageant, Chapter 16, Subsection “Free Blacks: Slaves Without Masters”. </p>
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<p>"Over time, slavery flourished in the Upper South and failed to do so in the North. But there were pockets of the North on the eve of the Revolution where slaves played key roles in the economic and social order: New York City and northern New Jersey, rural Pennsylvania, and the shipping towns of Connecticut and Rhode Island. Black populations in some places were much higher than they would be during the 19th century. More than 3,000 blacks lived in Rhode Island in 1748, amounting to 9.1 percent of the population; 4,600 blacks were in New Jersey in 1745, 7.5 percent of the population; and nearly 20,000 blacks lived in New York in 1771, 12.2 percent of the population.[4]</p>
<p>The North failed to develop large-scale agrarian slavery, such as later arose in the Deep South, but that had little to do with morality and much to do with climate and economy.</p>
<p>The elements which characterized Southern slavery in the 19th century, and which New England abolitionists claimed to view with abhorrence, all were present from an early date in the North. Practices such as the breeding of slaves like animals for market, or the crime of slave mothers killing their infants, testify that slavery’s brutalizing force was at work in New England. Philadelphia brickmaker John Coats was just one of the Northern masters who kept his slave workers in iron collars with hackles. Newspaper advertisements in the North offer abundant evidence of slave families broken up by sales or inheritance. One Boston ad of 1732, for example, lists a 19-year-old woman and her 6-month-old infant, to be sold either “together or apart.”[5] Advertisements for runaways in New York and Philadelphia newspapers sometimes mention suspicions that they had gone off to try to find wives who had been sold to distant purchasers. "</p>
<p>"That war, however, proved to be the real liberator of the northern slaves. Wherever it marched, the British army gave freedom to any slave who escaped within its lines. This was sound military policy: it disrupted the economic system that was sustaining the Revolution. Since the North saw much longer, and more extensive, incursions by British troops, its slave population drained away at a higher rate than the South’s. At the same time, the governments in northern American states began to offer financial incentives to slaveowners who freed their black men, if the emancipated slaves then served in the state regiments fighting the British.</p>
<p>When the Northern states gave up the last remnants of legal slavery, in the generation after the Revolution, their motives were a mix of piety, morality, and ethics; fear of a growing black population; practical economics; and the fact that the Revolutionary War had broken the Northern slaveowners’ power and drained off much of the slave population. An exception was New Jersey, where the slave population actually increased during the war. Slavery lingered there until the Civil War, with the state reporting 236 slaves in 1850 and 18 as late as 1860."</p>
<p>Slaves in the south were valued at about $70 billion dollars, slaves in the north weren’t it was obviously easier and less economically taxing for the north to not have slavery.</p>
<p>I don’t disagree that obviously slavery was a crime against humanity, and there were far more treacherous acts in the South than the North. But to say the North is innocent is hilariously incorrect.</p>
<p>I would never call it pop, that just makes me think of a black and white movie or something. Among my friends I’d say there’s around a 75/25 split between calling it soda or coke. As a Texan, I’m obviously biased, but I think y’all is waaay better than “yous guys” or other things like that.</p>
<p>username: emorylegacy
location: Georgia
comment: SMD
read between the lines: rich racist</p>
<p>Btw *** is American Pageant? Just googled it, apparently its an apush textbook. Yeah, those aren’t biased at all or anything.</p>
<p>I bet some of you condemning the South have never been further south of DC. </p>
<p>I don’t really have a dog in this fight. I was born in the west, moved to the south, then to the northeast and then to the midwest. </p>
<p>I’m applying to schools all over the place, from LA to Boston, including a few schools in the south. </p>
<p>I was relatively young when I was living in the south, but when I’m visiting I really don’t notice any racism or at least anything different than the north. I have friends that are black and they say that sometimes they get followed around in stores, and profiled in other ways. </p>
<p>People are very secretive about racism in the north, like someone mentioned before. Hardly ever will you see a white person call a black person the n word (which it doesn’t really happen in the south, but I will admit the south has a higher percentage of trash/low lifes). But there are a ton of closet racists in the north.</p>
<p>Things get blown out of proportion in the south with racism because of the past, which I don’t have to go into. Some of the things that get reported happen alot up here, and no one really makes a big deal about it. It shouldn’t happen anywhere, but it’s a bigger deal if it happens in Mississippi or Tennessee because of the history.</p>
<p>But most of my classmates (most of which havn’t been to the south other than Disneyworld or mabe Myrtle Beach) wonder why in the hell I am applying to schools in the south because they are “filled with inbred, narrow-minded, toothless, rednecks”.
Yeah, real open minded thinking</p>