Questions about Admissions

<p>Hey everyone, I have some questions about UT Austin admissions:
Note: I will probably be applying at around late September.</p>

<p>1 - About how long will it take for me to be expected by the top 8% rule? (I'm top 1.6%)</p>

<p>All questions below this point are directed towards McCombs:</p>

<p>2 - Would it be a good idea to apply as soon as possible?</p>

<p>3 - Since McCombs has now adopted the holistic policy, do they determine admission by:
Calculating AI and PAI then determine a cutoff score in which those who are above it get accepted?</p>

<p>4 - Since this will be the first year they are using the holistic policy, will GPA/Rank still have extra emphasis? </p>

<p>5 - If I do get accepted to McCombs, at around which month will I know by? (January?)</p>

<p>6 - If I am not accepted by McCombs and get my second choice major (Biochemistry), at around which month will I know by?</p>

<p>7 - Is there a point to something like a follow up letter/declaration of intent showing my interest in McCombs?</p>

<p>Now for the chance me part:
In-state
Male
Asian</p>

<p>SAT: 2020
M - 740
W - 670
CR - 610 -.-</p>

<p>ACT: 28
M - 30
R - 30
E - 27
S - 24</p>

<p>Rank - 7/427 (possibly 5-6 by the time I apply)
UW GPA - 3.98
W GPA - 5.289</p>

<p>So based off of this, my AI would be 3.3395 with the extra .1.</p>

<p>Now for the fun part, which is the subjective PAI:</p>

<p>The Personal Achievement Index (PAI)
o Scores on two essays - Let's assume an average of 4
o Leadership - Not many
o Extracurricular Activities - Got some here and there
o Awards/honors - Got a few. Does CPR certified count? Loooollll
o Work experience - None
o Service to school or community - Got some here and there
o Special circumstances:
- Socio-economic status of family - Normal?
- Single parent home - Nope
- Language spoken at home - English/Chinese
- Family responsibilities - Normal
- Socio-economic status of school attended - Normal
- Average SAT/ACT of school attended in relation to student's own SAT/ACT - School's average: ~1500 and ~23
- Race (addition approved by the UT Board of Regents in 2003) - Asian lulz</p>

<p>Sorry for this rather long post. Answers and opinion are appreciated :)</p>

<p>According to BeaLonghorn, Admissions will use whichever test score benefits you the most when calculating your AI. Have you tried using the ACT formula? Given your class rank and ACT scores listed above, I think your AI would be higher using that formula. Make sure you use the combined English/Writing score when running the numbers.</p>

<p>1- It takes them a while after apps open on Aug. 1 before they start admitting folks. I think the earliest reported admission last year was mid-Oct. As I recall, auto-admits like you usually hear very quickly, within 2 weeks at the outside.</p>

<p>2- Don’t know… I wouldn’t treat any response other than one from UT Admissions as authoritative because this is the first year McCombs admits will be made via pure holistic review. With that said, I think it’s safe to say there is no penalty to applying sooner than later, and if you think there are risks of pushing it to the Dec. 1 deadline, why wait? The only good advice is, never rush to push “send.” Pace yourself so you can put in sufficient time to assemble your best application. That includes allowing time for counselor, English teacher, etc. to review and assist with essays, which you should treat as the single most critical piece of your app (as the rest is basically “done,” i.e., you can’t change your GPA now). </p>

<p>3- Again, no one can answer this but UT Admissions, and if the answer is anything but an unequivocal “no,” I doubt they will ever publicly reveal any internal cutoffs or other methodology for prioritizing holistic review apps. UT’s holistic review process is already amazingly transparent solely as a result of litigation and legislation. Few other schools offer such detailed insight into their review procedures. </p>

<p>4- Same answer, but realize the very reason McCombs and others at UT desired pure holistic review was to allow them to get out from under admission constraints based solely on rank/GPA. They don’t want to have to explain to anyone why they leap frogged a non-auto admit over an auto admit (and I don’t mean to suggest any improper admission practices–rather, they want the freedom to say, this kid may have missed making top 9%, but everything else about him/her is remarkable and shows great promise).</p>

<p>5- Unknown because it’s Year 1. The only thing you can count on is, you will know by the last date admissions are announced!</p>

<p>6 - Understand that your app doesn’t go to McCombs for review. UT Admissions reviews your app. Period. They’ll notify you quickly of your admission generally because you are an auto admit. Then they will review for major. Because it’s the first year for McCombs, who knows how they will handle. They may do some rolling admits of top applicants. They may wait til Dec. 1 to see the entire pool. Whatever they do, it seems like as soon as they decide your McCombs fate, if rejected, they’d move onto your CNS request…but again, who knows?!</p>

<p>7 - General rule is, put your best foot forward in your app, don’t submit anything after unless you have new, significant info to impart, e.g., won a national contest. </p>

<p>8 - Chances - Your stats are good, congrats on your good grades and rank. With your rank being so high vs. on the cusp of 9%, I think you are less likely to be leap frogged (see #4). On the other hand, I have to say that based on the minimal information you provided under PAI, it seems you are light on personal development. I’m wondering what you do with your non-school time…they will, too. The lack of any work experience stands out to me as a big ? for a business school applicant; don’t spend time explaining away that lapse, but do spend time developing a compelling argument for why you see yourself in the business school and what you bring to that table. </p>

<p>I am sure there is more than what you’ve briefly noted, and I encourage you to do the expanded resume before you do anything else. That will help you flesh out the “who you really are” part and point you to strengths and weaknesses that you may want to address by weaving them into essays or having teachers write on them. Example: You said “not many” for leadership. Aside from traditional club officerships and other indicia of leadership, could it be said you are a leader in the classroom? If yes, go brainstorm that concept with your favorite teacher to ideally poinpoint a concrete example or two and be sure it’s a part of his/her rec. </p>

<p>** Don’t get hung up on the PAI formula. Remember that human beings are coming up with subjective numerical values for each category, and they don’t have to explain why they weighted this a 4 or a 2, plus they have a catch-all “anything else in the file” category that covers just that…anything and everything! They are really dependent on things like prose short answer and essays to get past raw data and the usual litany of ECs and figure out who you are and what makes you tick. If they get a good feeling from your subjective input, they are more likely to give you higher values on those PAI figures and vice versa. IMO this paragraph from the most recent top 10% report containing the holistic review rubric offers a far better explanation of your mission under holistic review: </p>

<p>“Thus, merit includes the ambition to tackle rigorous high school coursework, the production of quality prose, and a civic commitment to make a difference in one’s school, home, or community. Evidence of employability (work), and some sense of having excelled in any number of areas are also considered. Moreover, admissions officials place these attributes in the context of the circumstances under which the student lived.”</p>

<p>Good luck!</p>

<p>@txex86 - I thought it was based off of percentage. For example, the max for SAT (assuming 2400 and 100 on HSR) = 3.732 or 3.832 with the +.1</p>

<p>For ACT, max (assuming 36 on Math/English and 100 on HSR) is 4.218, or 4.318 with the + .1</p>

<p>My ACT AI is 3.642 with the .1
My SAT AI is 3.339 with the .1</p>

<p>SAT - (3.339/3.832) * 100 = 87.13%
ACT - (3.642/4.318) * 100 = 84.34%</p>

<p>SAT has a better percentage, but lower AI. I’ll probably be retaking both, anyways.</p>

<p>@TXArtemis</p>

<p>Thanks a lot for your answers, and sorry for not providing much for the PAI. As for what I do out of school, I usually play badminton, flute, and the piano. I do have volunteer experience at some math competitions as well as Meals on Wheels. As for the work experience, there aren’t that many good ones here. The best would probably be something like Kumon or Mathnasium, but most people work in places like Krogers, Walmart, and sometimes JCPenny. Another reason I don’t have work experience is that I can’t drive (lack of available car) and my parents are usually busy. (Would it be a good idea to mention this in my essay?)
Thank you for bringing up the idea of leadership in the classroom as this reminds me of something. I took a credit by exam so I was 1 year ahead of the Pre-AP/Honor students in math. So while I was taking Calculus BC this year (got a 5), I was teacher aide for the Pre-AP/Honors Pre-Calculus class and I helped them learn. Since my high school does not have a Calculus 3 class, I will be a teacher aide for the Calculus BC class as well. The teacher teaches both Pre-Cal and Calculus BC and also happens to be my favorite teacher, so I’m in luck. How should I approach her about this? (And if possible, would I put it under extracurricular or volunteer?) Once again, thank you for your response.</p>

<p>Any other opinions are welcome :D</p>

<p>UTAustin3, I think you are over-analyzing the multiple regression formulas. Once you tabulate your AI with the SAT/ACT, you are done. There is no need for further derivation. </p>

<p>If you look at page 4-5 on this pdf file, <a href=“http://www.utexas.edu/student/admissions/research/HB588-Report13.pdf[/url]”>http://www.utexas.edu/student/admissions/research/HB588-Report13.pdf&lt;/a&gt; , you will see that the AI is on a 4.1 point scale on the Admissions Decision Grid. It is not based on a percentage. The AI is used to guesstimate your freshman GPA. In your case, your current ACT scores give you a higher AI, so you would be farther to the left of the grid. The goal, as stated in the pdf file, is to be in the “cells closest to the upper left corner”.</p>

<p>As for you using your teacher aide position as volunteer experience, be careful with that if you are helping your teacher during an assigned class period (in other words, you are taking “teacher aide” as an class elective). If that’s the case, that might not be construed as “volunteer” since you are helping the teacher while you are getting class credit. If, however, you help before or after school in a tutoring capacity or other voluntary tasks, then that would be something you would put on your resume as extracurricular. But, you could certainly ask the teacher to write a recommendation letter detailing you as a helper and a student.</p>

<p>As TXArtemis mentioned above, work on your expanded resume first so you can see exactly what you’ve done. You may think of things once you get rolling. It also makes filling out the ApplyTexas application easier. </p>

<p>Good luck.</p>

<p>Since I am applying to McCombs, how much more helpful will it be to write an essay that’s related to business? For the influential person essay: Right now, I could probably write a pretty good essay but it wouldn’t really connect to business. Any ideas/thoughts on whom/which event I should write about so it does relate to business?</p>