questions: rates and ranks of the Navy ???

Colleges and Universities A-Z Naval Academy - Annapolis
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<p>I just joined the Triangle chapter of the USNAAA. Seeing as I just moved here, and I have a lot on my plate, that's all I've managed to do.</p>

<p>We gotta go knock back some cold ones, soon. :)</p>

<p>BTW, I live just outside Durham, the Berzerkley of the East, where even an admitted-to terrorist attack against innocent college students evokes questions like "Why do they hate us?" from the teachers of the run-over. :rolleyes:</p>

<p>It's a mental disease, I tell you! </p>

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I get tired of all the PC crap, we no longer have "Founding Fathers", instead we have "Founders". Can anyone name one female who signed the Declaration of Independence?

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<p>You sexist bastard, you! You're also a racist and religious bigot, seeing as Thomas Jefferson, that slave-owning, slave-screwing miscreant, wrote that accursed rag with the word "God" all over it! The NERVE! :rolleyes:</p>

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<p>wow. speechless. dissapointed. </p>

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No woman at USNA while I was there ever complained about it. Guess they were just hammered into silence, right?

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<p>I would not know, but I would be curious as to how they feel about it now. </p>

<p>words can offend- deeply. not sure the words are as inconsequential as you think- clearly there are those that might hold to a different opinion. </p>

<p>some women, sadly, will suffer terribly in situations as you mention- all the more reason to recognize their contribution on every level. All things equal? Perhaps at USNA- but that is not representative of the real world, try as we may to make it so. </p>

<p>Tradition does not always mean its the right way- it simply means it is the way things have always been done. Tradition is a proud and noble thing- which does not mean it can't be corrected and still respect that being endeared. IMHO.</p>

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<p>Exactly navy2010!</p>

<p><a href="http://www.usna.com/News_Pubs/Publications/Shipmate/2004/05/NavyBG.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.usna.com/News_Pubs/Publications/Shipmate/2004/05/NavyBG.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Isn't it kind of ironic that both the CNO AND CMC (USNA grads AND classmates) approve of the changes (otherwise we would have heard by now)? I don't see either of them being offended nor objecting to the change...though they both sang the old version!</p>

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<p>"pc crap". wow. a few words are changed. this is not a threat or a disavowal of the naval academy's purpose in any way. and it is certainly not "pc crap". it is meant to support ALL those who attend and are alumni of this institution. i see no reason to cling to a few words as if changing them changes the essence of the songs. it doesn't. change is here and people need to accept it, as many of those on this forum recognize. the academy has accepted it. and the thought of this music label sueing the naval academy for changing a couple words of its alma mater to support women is SIMPLY LAUGHABLE. seriously, i'm chuckling right now. </p>

<p>there are things worth fighting over. this is not one of them.</p>

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<p>Perhaps none of you know that the code of conduct has been changed in other ways.</p>

<p>Article V presently says:</p>

<p>When questioned, should I become a prisoner of war, I am required to give name, rank, service number, and date of birth.</p>

<p>The version I learned said:</p>

<p>When questioned, should I become a prisoner of war, I am required to give {only} name, rank, service number, and date of birth.</p>

<p>What's in a few words (or in this case one word), as long as everyone is happy?</p>

<p>I did not say MPL Communications should sue the Naval Academy for anything. I was simplying stating the fact if they chose to do so, they would likely have a good case. It seems to me Admiral Rempt put the Naval Academy in legal jeopardy for the sake of political correctness.</p>

<p>Mike</p>

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<p>and it seems to me that admiral rempt would probably be well aware if he had put the academy into "legal jeopardy": and i don't think the supe is losing sleep. i think the fact that the code of conduct has been changed as well proves a very different point than you intended: things change. things are updated. tough shizzle. the academy's doing fine.</p>

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<p>Ah, yes.... "Updated".</p>

<p>Funny how they only seem to "update" in one direction.</p>

<p>I wonder what the reaction will be when someone demands that Blue and Gold be sung in Spanish?</p>

<p>Give it time, the way things are going... :(</p>

<p>As for copyright on the song, I also doubt ANYONE (let alone the Sup) is losing sleep.</p>

<p>But hey, if it turns out we ARE using a copyrighted tune, I'm sure someone in Hollyweird will pipe up eventually. It's what they do... :rolleyes:</p>

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What's in a few words (or in this case one word), as long as everyone is happy?

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<p>Maybe when faced with torture, they should immediately cite the name, address, phone number, e-mail, and website of their ACLU and Amnesty International representative? I'm sure they torturers will run for cover and the aformentioned organizations will RUN (not walk) to their aid!</p>

<p>Oh, wait, I forgot. Who cares? That only matters when AMERICANS can be blamed. We deserve it, remember?</p>

<p>Never mind. Carry on.</p>

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<p>Sorry Zaphod, I have decided to join the PC bandwagon. In a demonstration of conformance to managerial training, I have attempted to identify the problem areas and to propose solutions. I think everyone should be happy with these “updates”.</p>

<p>My proposals:</p>

<p>I propose that all historical documents without legal status (would these be undocumented documents?) such as the Declaration of Independence, Gettysburg Address, etc. be made gender neutral. At first, since these would require no legal action to revise, I was considering pen and ink changes. Of course, I would have insisted that the person making the changes have excellent penpersonship. I realized this would not conform to the Orwellian concept of Newspeak since vestiges of the past would remain. I therefore propose that the replacement documents be prepared by CBS News (the documents would be fake but accurate). We can use that infamous Navy coffee to dye the documents to make them look old.</p>

<p>I propose the U.S. Constitution be amended to remove all gender specific terms (all officers are termed “he”). This would require congressional approval (2/3) and ratification by the states (3/4). I’m must stickler for legalities, somewhere I learned your’re not supposed to lie, cheat, or steal—at least four years during early adulthood.</p>

<p>I propose that USMA and USAFA be force to revise their alma maters as well. I would not be so bold as to tell them what gender neutral terms to use, but I do note “woop” and “zoomie” imply no sex.</p>

<p>I propose the Navy song “Anchors Aweigh (my boys)” be revised to “Anchors Aweigh, Ahoy”. I don’t know if it makes sense (do colleges really sing?) but it sounds nautical as hell.</p>

<p>I propose half the U.S. Navy warships be named after females. I further suggest the USS Jimmy Carter be renamed the USS Nell Carter. Furthermore, if the submarine USS Robert E. Lee (such a non-pc name) can be re-commissioned (almost certainly razorblades by now), I propose it be renamed the USS Pamela Lee (there’s a joke in there somewhere about head lights on a submarine).</p>

<p>I propose the Naval Academy mascot be changed. At first I thought gender neutrality could be obtained by neutering Bill, but he would still have male chromosomes and some PETA people might get upset. Instead, I propose that a male goat mascot be used during odd years and a female goat mascot be used during even years (I wouldn’t want to be accused of thinking females are odd). During odd years, midshipperson’s will sing “Bill can take the meat from the worn-out Army mule”, during even years they can sing “Nanny can take the meat from the worn-out Army mule”. I’m sure that will scare the $#&! out of Army! I also propose the F-14 Tomcat (do any reserve units still fly this plane?) and all photographs of the plane be revised to the F-14 Kittycat.</p>

<p>I propose the U.S. Supreme Court edifice, presently adorned with male ethicists and jurists, be updated to include at least one female ethicist and jurist. I propose Dr. Laura and Ruth Bader Ginsberg.</p>

<p>I propose two of the faces on Mount Rushmore be altered to honor two of the most powerful women in America. For ease of carving, I propose that Abraham Lincoln be modified to Hillary Rodham Clinton and George Washington be modified to Oprah Winfrey.</p>

<p>I observed many changes in my 22-year naval career, but the updates I propose here will go so much further in correcting America’s most pressing problems.</p>

<p>Mike</p>

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<p>i think that post speaks for itself, on so many levels.</p>

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<p>whellah44: don't lose faith sweetie! Just dads-gone-wild on cc! Just goes to show what an excess of testerone can do to a man's capacity to think! (but I have to admitt, USNA81 was a bit funny! even chuckled a few times! ;) ) With any luck, they are both raising a house full of girls! Gotta love the irony of life! </p>

<p>Have faith that the moms of today have raised their boys to be a bit more gender accepting. There is hope! Now all we need is for some real estrogen in the White House and all will be well! :)</p>

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<p>LOL! Go get 'em, Mike! </p>

<p>I second your proposals! It's the only reasonable thing to do in these "enlightened" days!</p>

<p>USS PAMELA ANDERSON! Gives a whole new dimension to the term "positive bouyancy" and the well-established point that submarines are long, hard cylindrical things that slide deep through wet places and are full of seamen.</p>

<p>[Jim Carrey as the Riddler]</p>

<p>Was that over the top? I can never tell!</p>

<p>[/Jim Carrey as the Riddler]</p>

<p>ROFLMAO!</p>

<p>I need another beer! :D</p>

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Was that over the top? I can never tell!

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do you really have to ask?</p>

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<p>Well, it was kind of funny. [The first post. Heck, even Z's post was kind of funny, even though it probably was over the top for this forum. I still laughed.]</p>

<p>I do have to admit that twenty years ago, I NEVER would have considered voting for a female presidential candidate. Considering the job that has been done recently by male Presidents, I would most certainly consider it now. You cannot convince me that a woman could screw things up any worse.</p>

<p>I just hope its my daughter so dad can sit on the porch, drink beer, smoke a cigar, and talk about the good ol' days with my Secretary of Defense son.</p>

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<p>Ah, an enlightened man! What a refreshing relief!!!</p>

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<p>Don't ruin my reputation.
My wife might disagree with your assessment [I do have some REAL PC problems that I don't even dare risk revealing on this site or to Z]. . . but we've been married a long time so she has learned to tolerate me.</p>

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<p>I'd vote for a female President in a heartbeat if I agreed with her. I've been saying that since Jean Kirkpatrick was kicking butt and taking names at the UN under Reagan, which is longer than some here have been alive.</p>

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do you really have to ask?

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<p>Google "Rhetorical Question". ;)</p>

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<p>Zaphod, no I didn’t think your post was over the top, but then I’m not offended by much. I consider myself a tolerant person, but tolerance should not be confused with acceptance. </p>

<p>I am one of the few people in the US who voted for two female candidates for national office this past election cycle. I had the pleasure to vote for Rep. Virginia Foxx and Senator Elizabeth Dole. I too would have voted for Jeanne Kilpatrick for President (or Margaret Thatcher, if that was possible)</p>

<p>I have been married 20 years to my wonderful wife and we have 4 great children. In correction PC fashion, we have two boys and two girls.</p>

<p>There are a few vestiges of the past which should be corrected. For instance, as a native Virginian, I would have no problem with changing the state song. The song, “Carry Me Back to ol’ Virginny”, has a least one truly racist verse as I recall. </p>

<p>I also had the incorrect words to the “The Goat is Old and Gnarly”, I wasn’t singing as I was typing. The correct words are “Bill will feed on army mule tonight”.</p>

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I also had the incorrect words to the “The Goat is Old and Gnarly”, I wasn’t singing as I was typing. The correct words are “Bill will feed on army mule tonight”.

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<p>Please don't tell me they changed THAT, too! :(</p>

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<p>No, "The Goat is Old and Gnarly" has not been revised. I just got it wrong in my original post-- should have sang it before typing. See</p>

<p><a href="http://usna.com/Communities/ChapInfoCtr/ChapterHandbook/NavySongs.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://usna.com/Communities/ChapInfoCtr/ChapterHandbook/NavySongs.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Mike</p>