questions: rates and ranks of the Navy ???

<p>Okay so I have been doing some research on the ranks and rates of the navy and studying the insignias. As of today, one of my former team mates from track came back from Norfolk, VA. for a visit. He's been in the Navy since 2002. We talked for nearly 2 hrs about his experiences so far, while I was at practice. He told me alot of stories and gave me alot of advice about what to expect and what not to expect. However, one thing that confused me was when he started spitting out all of these letter... E2 E6 CWO....I was like woah, what is all this...but I started wondering about rankings...and particularily the Naval Academy...officers come out of the Naval academy as ensigns/lieutenants and are pretty much higher ranking than enlisted men/women, who may or may not be older than them, right...are ensigns also higher ranking than warrant officers considering warrant officers are like nearly 13-16 years in the service?</p>

<pre><code> He also told me to basically treat higher ranks like you would your parents and lower ranks like your brother or sister....basically with respect...but from what he's seen there were alot of ensigns on his ship that treated people like crap and thought they new everything...even more than the CWO's...he says not to even try to mess with the CWO's because they have more years of experience and pretty much know what they are talking about...all these rates and rankings are all knew to me...can anyone elaborate on them more if I am missing something..any one who has alot of KNOWLEDGE of the structure of the navy...I'd really like to understand this...
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<p>You're gonna get out of USNA and be in command of guys twice your age possibly. When it comes to rank, years in service doesn't matter...You're an officer...he's a Master Chief with 25 years. Now, he is going to know a HELL of a lot more than anyone else around, but he still has to salute you and address you as "Sir/Ma'am."</p>

<p>CWOs are kinda in the middle. They're not enlisted personnel, yet they're not full commissioned officers. You would still be his superior.</p>

<p>Being an officer straight out of college when you're in your mid-twenties and taking command of sailors old enough to be your dad can be quite an overwhelming idea. Get to know your senior enlisted, as they can make or break you. And remember...Chiefs run the Navy.</p>

<p>lets see we shall make a quick reference here</p>

<p>E-1 Seaman Recruit
E-2 Seaman Apprentice
E-3 Seaman
E-4 Petty Officer 3rd Class
E-5 Petty Officer 2nd Class
E-6 Petty Officer 1st Class
E-7 Chief Petty Officer
E-8 Senior Chief Petty Officer
E-9 Master Chief Petty Officer
CWO-1 Chief Warrant Officer 1
CWO-2 Chief Warrant Officer 2
CWO-3 Chief Warrant Officer 3
CWO-4 Chief Warrant Officer 4
CWO-5 Chief Warrant Officer 5
O-1 Ensign(Second Lieutenant)
O-2 Lieutenant Junior Grade(First Lieutenant)
O-3 Lieutenant(Captain)
O-4 Lieutenant Commander(Major)
O-5 Commander(Lieutenant Colonel)
O-6 Captain(Colonel)
O-7 Rear Admiral Lower Half(Brigadier General)
O-8 Rear Admiral Upper Half(Major General)
O-9 Vice Admiral(Lieutenant General)
O-10 Admiral(General)
O-10* Fleet Admiral(no marine equivalent)</p>

<p>For navy E-1 through E-3 there are multiple titles. They are Seaman, Airman, Fireman, Constructionman, Hospitalman, Dentalman
Fleet Admiral is a five star admiral and the rank is only given in times of war
Master Chief is further broken down into more categories such as, Force Master Chief, Fleet Master Chief, Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy, Command Master Chief, CNO directed Command Master Chief</p>

<p>Thanks you guys...now I'm going to finish my research this morning...partly for myself so I can know the different roles each play in the Navy as enlisted and officers....</p>

<p>dmeix....your words echo what my hubby always told me. He said as a wet behind the ears ensign fresh to his first assignment on a ship he always ALWAYS treated his senior enlisted men with dignity and respect, knowing THEY knew what was really going on with the men.My hubby is such a sweet, soft-spoken, yet natural leader kind of guy - he did alright with his first assignment, even if his proud wife says so herself. Now, if the roles were switched however, I'm sure I'd be the idiot ensign who should have ended up like that guy ( real or imagined)strapped and syruped to a missle. Hence, America has been much better served by the likes of my hubby going USNA and me going MAMA</p>

<p>Don't memorize, rather understand what YOU will be learning/getting into in just over a month. There will be so many other rates you will have to learn, furthermore, if you are a "know it all" then you will get more attention then you need...THEREFORE DON'T MEMORIZE IT!</p>

<p>Qualifications of a Naval Officer:</p>

<pre><code>It is by no means enough that an officer of the Navy should be a capable mariner. He must be that of course, but also a great deal more. He should be as well a gentleman of liberal education refined manners, punctilious courtesy, and the nicest sense of personal honor.
He should be the soul of tact, patience, justice, fitness, kindness, and charity. No meritorious act of a subordinate should escape his attention or be left to pass without its reward, even if the reward is only a word of approval. Conversely, he should not be blind to a single fault in any subordinate, though at the same time, he should be quick and unfailing to distinguish error from malice, thoughtlessness from incompetency, and well meant shortcomings from heedless or stupid.
In one word, ever commander should keep constantly before him the great truth, that to be well obeyed, he must perfectly be esteemed.
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<p>Mission of the United States Naval Academy:</p>

<p>To develop Midshipman morally, mentally, and physically and to imbue them with the highest ideals of duty, honor, and loyalty in order to provide graduates who are dedicated to a career of naval service and have potential for future development in mind and character to assumer the highest responsibilities of command, citizenship, and government.</p>

<p>Code of Conduct:</p>

<p>Article I: I am an American. I serve in the forces which guard my country and our way of life. I am prepared to give my life in their defense.</p>

<p>Article II: I will never surrender of my own free will. If in command, I will never surrender the members of my command while they still have the means to resist.</p>

<p>Article III: If I am captured, I will continue to resist by all means available. I will make every effort to escape and aid others to escape. I will accept neither parole nor special favors from the enemy.</p>

<p>Article IV: If I become a prisoner of war, I will keep faith with my fellow prisoners. I will give no information or take part in any action which might be harmful to to my comrades. If I am senior, I will take command. If not, I will obey the lawful orders of those appointed over me and will back them up in every way.</p>

<p>Article V: When questioned, should I become a prisoner of war, I am required to give name, rank, service number, and date of birth. I will evade answering further questions to the utmost of my ability. I will make no oral or written statements disloyal to my country and its allies or harmful to their cause.</p>

<p>Article VI: I will never forget that I am American, responsible for my actions and dedicated to the principles which made my country free. I will trust in my God and in the United States of America.</p>

<p>Key Figures in the National Security Organization:</p>

<p>President: Honorable George W. Bush </p>

<p>Joint Chiefs of Staff: </p>

<p>Chairman: General Peter Pace, United States Marine Corps
Vice Chairman: Admiral Edmund P. Giambastiani Jr., United States Navy
Chief of Staff, U.S. Army: General Peter J. Schoomaker, United States Army
Chief of Naval Operations: Admiral Michael G. Mullen, United States Navy
Commandant, U.S. Marine Corps: General Michael Hagee, United States Marine Corps
Chief of Staff, U.S. Air Force: General Michael Moseley, United States Air Force
Administrative Chain of Command:</p>

<p>The President of the United States: Honorable George W. Bush
The Secretary of Defense: Honorable Donald Rumsfeld
The Secretary of the Navy: Honorable Donald C. Winter
Chief of Naval Operations: Admiral Michael G. Mullen, USN
Superintendent, United States Naval Academy: Vice Admiral Rodney P. Rempt, USN
Commandant, United States Naval Academy: RDML(sel) Bruce E. Grooms, USN </p>

<p>Service Ranks/Equivalents:
Good website: <a href="http://www.defenselink.mil/specials/insignias/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.defenselink.mil/specials/insignias/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>11 General Orders of a Sentry:</p>

<ol>
<li><p>To take charge of this post and all government property in view.</p></li>
<li><p>To walk my post in a military manner, keeping always on the alert, and observing everything that takes place within sight or hearing.</p></li>
<li><p>To report all violations of orders I am instructed to enforce.</p></li>
<li><p>To repeat all calls from posts more distant from the guard house than my own.</p></li>
<li><p>To quit my post only when properly relieved.</p></li>
<li><p>To receive, obey, and pass on to the sentry who relieves me, all orders from the commanding officer, officer of the day, and officers and noncommissioned officers of the guard only.</p></li>
<li><p>To talk to no one except in the line of duty.</p></li>
<li><p>To give the alarm in case of fire or disorder.</p></li>
<li><p>To call the petty officer of the watch/corporal of the guard in any case not covered by instructions.</p></li>
<li><p>To salute all officers and all colors and all standards not cased.</p></li>
<li><p>To be especially watchful at night, and during the time for challenging, to challenge all persons on or near my post and to allow no one to pass without proper authority.</p></li>
</ol>

<p>5 Basic Responses:</p>

<p>Sir/Ma'am Yes Sir/Ma'am </p>

<p>Sir/Ma'am No Sir/Ma'am </p>

<p>Sir/Ma'am No Excuse Sir/Ma'am </p>

<p>Sir/Ma'am I'll find out Sir/Ma'am </p>

<p>Sir/Ma'am Aye Aye Sir/Ma'am </p>

<p>Navy Blue and Gold:</p>

<p>Now colleges from sea to sea
May sing of colors true,
But who has better right then we
To hoist a symbol hue?
For sailors brave in battle fair
Since fighting days of old,
Have proved a sailor's right to wear
The Navy Blue and Gold. </p>

<p>So hoist our colors, hoist them high,
And vow allegiance true,
So long as sunset gilds the sky
Above the ocean blue,
Unlowered shall those colors be
Whatever fate they meet,
So glorious in victory,
Triumphant in defeat. </p>

<p>Four years together by the Bay
Where Severn joins the tide,
Then by the Service called away,
We've scattered far and wide;
But still when two or three shall meet,
And old tales be retold,
From low to highest in the Fleet
Will pledge the Blue and Gold. </p>

<p>Anchor's Aweigh:</p>

<p>Service Version:
Anchors Aweigh my boys
Anchors Aweigh
Farewell to college joys
We sail at break of day day day day
Through our last night on shore
Drink to the foam
Until we meet once more
Here's wishing you a happy voyage home! </p>

<p>Football Version:
Stand Navy down the field
Sails set to the sky
We'll never change our course
So Army you steer shy-y-y-y
Roll up the score, Navy
Anchors Aweigh
Sail Navy down the field
And sink the Army, sink the Army grey! </p>

<p>USNA Version:
Blue of the Seven Seas
Gold of God's great sun
Let these our colors be
Till all of time be done-n-n-ne
By Severn shore we learn
Navy's stern call
Faith, courage, service true
With honor over, honor over all. </p>

<p>The Marines' Hmyn:</p>

<p>From the Halls of Montezuma
To the Shores of Tripoli;
We fight our country's battles
In the air, on land and sea;
First to fight for right and freedom
And to keep our honor clean;
We are proud to claim the title
of United States Marine. </p>

<p>Our flag's unfurled to every breeze
From dawn to setting sun;
We have fought in ev'ry clime and place
Where we could take a gun;
In the snow of far-off Northern lands
And in sunny tropic scenes;
You will find us always on the job--
The United States Marines. </p>

<p>Here's health to you and to our Corps
Which we are proud to serve
In many a strife we've fought for life
And never lost our nerve;
If the Army and the Navy
Ever look on Heaven's scenes;
They will find the streets are guarded
By United States Marines. </p>

<p>Navy Hymn:</p>

<p>Eternal Father strong to save
Whose arm hath bound the restless wave
Who bidd'st the mighty ocean deep
Its own appointed limits keep
Oh, hear us when we cry to Thee
For those in peril on the sea! </p>

<p>Eternal Father, grant, we pray,
To all Marines, both night and day,
The courage, honor, strength, and skill
Their land to serve, thy law fulfill;
Be thou the shield forevermore
From every peril to the Corps</p>

<p>Table Salts:</p>

<p>How Long Have You Been In The Navy?</p>

<p>All me bloomin' life, sir! Me mother was a mermaid, me father was King Neptune. I was born on the crest of a wave and rocked in the cradle of the deep. Seaweed and barnacles are me clothes. Every tooth in me head is a marlinspike; the hair on me head is hemp. Every bone in me body is spar, and when I spits, I spits tar! I'se hard, I is, I am, I are?</p>

<p>Why Didn't You Say Sir?</p>

<p>Sir, sir is subservient word surviving from the surly days of old Serbia, when certain serfs, too ignorant to remember their lord's names, yet too servile to blaspheme them, circumvented the situation by surrogating the subservient word sir, by which I now belatedly address a certain senior cirroped who correctly surmised that I was syrupy enough to say sir after every word I said, sir.</p>

<p>What's Up?</p>

<p>Fidelity is up and obedience is down on our bayonet buckles.</p>

<p>How's The Cow?</p>

<p>Sir, she walks, she talks, she's full of chalk. The lacteal fluid from the female of bovine species is highly prolific to the (approx. number of glasses of milk remaining in cartons) nth degree.</p>

<p>What Time Is It?</p>

<p>Sir, I am greatly embarrassed and deeply humiliated that due to unforeseen circumstances beyond my control, the inner workings and hidden mechanisms of my chronometer are in such inaccord with the great sidereal movement with which time is generally reckoned that I cannot with any degree of accuracy state the correct time, sir. But without fear of being too greatly in error, I will state that it is about _____ minutes, _____ seconds, and _____ ticks past _____ bells.</p>

<p>Man in the Arena:</p>

<p>It is not the critic who counts, not the one who points out how the strong man stumbled or how the doers of deeds might have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred with sweat and dust and blood; who strives valiantly, who errs and comes short again and again, who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, and spends himself in a worthy cause; who if he wins, knows the triumph of high achievement; and who, if fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither viectory or defeat. ---Theodore Roosevelt</p>

<p>I just love the new, PC Blue and Gold and Code of Conduct. :rolleyes:</p>

<p>I'll stick to the originals, thanks.</p>

<p>Mmm...Now I'm curious. Would you care to share with us the 'originals?'</p>

<p>Blue and Gold:</p>

<p>Now college MEN from sea to sea may sing of colors true
But who has better right than we to hoist a symbol hue?
For sailor MEN in battle fair since fighting days of old
Have proved the Sailors right to wear the Navy Blue and Gold.</p>

<p>Code of Conduct:</p>

<p>I am an American FIGHTING MAN...</p>

<p><snip></snip></p>

<p>I will never forget that I am an American FIGHTING MAN...</p>

<p>I don't care if it was Reagan who made it "gender-neutral" (IOW, spinless), he was wrong, and I'll never recite it the new way, nor will I ever sing "Blue and Gold" other than the ORIGINAL way.</p>

<p>If that offends anyone, TOUGH. :mad:</p>

<p>it doesn't offend me Z ;-). But this whole Navy thing is new to me. There is so much I know I'm going to learn and have to know....and no one around me knows much about the Navy...which I don't find too strange considering this is an Army base...I have high hopes for myself...in fact today at church we had a guest speaker...for the past month the word "EXCELLENCE" has been appearing before me in everything I hear, read, glance upon, etc. I decided to look this word up today, just to reassure the meaning and how I can apply it: being the best, going beyond, over-achieve...ohh but my point about this speaker, he told us we have to prepare ourselves for opportunities and when they come...it's up to us to prepare our thoughts, attitudes, emotions, on the journey we are about the embark...I believe that thoughts and words have a huge impact on human capability...negative and positive..."commit to your personal growth, believe in yourself, perform at your maximum potential...leadership, excellence, confidence...You conquer yourself with your own words"....Okay so I really don't know what this has to do about ranks but considering USNA makes you an officer, I believe it's important for me to be an affective officer and that starts with ME and the person who I want to become...leading people older than me will be much of a responsibility...but being confident and promoting EXCELLENCE in everything will help along that road of success with yourself...</p>

<p>Sparkledust,</p>

<p>I highly admire and respect your attitude. You're going to be a fine officer.</p>

<p>Going into USNA, let me give you the following heartfelt advice: RELAX.</p>

<p>While it's not a bad idea to "prepare" as much as possible, it IS a bad idea to "prepare" too much, and for two reasons: 1) You may learn it wrong, and unlearning can be a PITA, 2) You may end up feeling overconfident since you "know" this stuff already, which may cause you problems.</p>

<p>You are going in with your eyes and your mind open. Be ready to learn, but don't turn your brain off. You will see good and bad examples of leadership, and it's up to you to evaluate what you think works and what doesn't, while still learning all you need to and performing as expected. Take the hits and lessons as they come.</p>

<p>The best advice (and the simplest) is this: Whatever you are assigned to do, whatever you CHOOSE to do, always make sure that you strive for EXCELLENCE in it. If you do that, you WILL succeed, and those around you will be motivated to follow you.</p>

<p>There is a difference bewteen EXCELLENCE and PERFECTION. One is achievable, the other is not, and the achievable one is a JOURNEY, not a DESTINATION.</p>

<p>Go get 'em, Champ!</p>

<p>my opinion would be that no one is disrespected simply because of some word changes reflecting a growing change in the makeup of our armed forces(and our NAVY) and women's contributions. it seems silly to me to reject what is only a positive change:it in no way discredits the efforts and contributions of men, and rather simply seeks to recognize the contributions of all who serve.it seems to me petty to be offended.</p>

<p>The song Navy Blue and Gold is a copyrighted song and the copyrights are held by some music company. With the way music companies protect their copyrights, I am suprised the Naval Academy is not sued for printing the incorrect words. I'll continue to sing it the way I learned it.</p>

<p>Mike</p>

<p>I want to know how a music company can copyright a song made by the U.S. Navy/USNA. I would love to see a company sue USNA for changing the lyrics, not only would it be absurd but morally wrong. </p>

<p>Vice Admiral Rempt and Wheelah44 are exactly right.</p>

<p>Blue & Gold is the OFFICIAL ALMA MATER OF USNA! Men AND Women attend this institution and therefore, the song SHOULD BE A REFLECTION OF THOSE WHO GRADUATE FROM THIS INSTITUTION...IT SHOULD NOT BE A REFLECTION OF HISTORY! I believe this is why wheelah is saying that no one should be offended by the changes.</p>

<p>Ah Z..... and I had such high hopes for you! </p>

<p>Does it really matter if the women get recognized a bit for their part? I mean, they are alumni of your same proud insitiution- and the same proud Navy! And even though there was a time they were not "allowed" (or welcomed) in either, certainly there were enough of them working behind the scenes to support both! Instead of indignation, why not pride in a service willing to evolve and recognize ALL of its members? </p>

<p>There will be a time when all will truely be equal- and it needs to start with leaders like you. It's not a matter of "if you don't like it tough"....that simply promotes an attitude that needs changing in every aspect of life- and it needs to change. This is YOUR Navy- the very one your own daughters may one day aspire to. What words will you sign then? </p>

<p>You appear to be a fair and honest guy- with a great deal of pride in your fine academy- if you really can't find it in your heart to sing the new words, at least remain silent on the old ones- hard as that might be. It's not about "tough"....take it or leave it....like it or not.....its about doing what is right. You don't have to like it. But it is essential that you accept it. You are going to be a BGO, and no doubt there will come a day when you will stand just as proud for your female candidates that you are of their male counterparts. I have faith in you. :)</p>

<p>Just because the Naval Academy chose to adopt the song "Navy Blue and Gold" as their alma mater that does not give it the legal right to change the words unless granted permission by the company that owns the copyrights. The company that owns the copyright is MPL Communications. I notice on their website they use the original words:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.mplcommunications.com/song_display.asp?SongNum=1918%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.mplcommunications.com/song_display.asp?SongNum=1918&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Perhaps the Naval Academy received permission from MPL Communications to revise the lyrics. If it did not, and I'm not a lawyer, I would suspect the Naval Academy would not have a legal leg to stand on. Is it moral to appropriate property that does not belong to you and use it contrary to the wishes of the legal owner?</p>

<p>Mike</p>

<p>Many, many copyrighted articles are changed in subsequent uses. [Thank you weird Al Yankovich.] Its called fair use. In any event, I suspect [although I don't have the time to look it up] that USNA pays a royalty for its use of the song.</p>

<p>Wheelah: Unfortunately, in careers such as you have chosen, the old "war horses" want to fight change at every chance they get; even with regards to inconseqential changes to a song. [Oh, that's right, we don't like political correctness. After all, the bi**** and ni***** deserve what they get and shouldn't have been admitted to begin with; oh, and they probably didn't deserve to be admitted and just took some deserving white male's place.] Beside, really, some connection must be made to the juveniles who will never let a woman be the one to climb Herndon because that would, somehow, diminish the accomplishment.</p>

<p>I recently saw a documentary on the first women admitted to the FDNY. You would be appaled at the treatment they received. Some of those women, just as in the Navy, are now retiring. It makes for an interesting view. Its the same mentality that believes hazing was an effective means of building character.</p>

<p>Cry me a PC river. I have said, both here and other places, and will continue to say, that many of the finest people I met in the Service were women.</p>

<p>As always, to stand up for a bit of tradition, even something as harmless as the words of a song, immediately must be defended against accusations of sexism, no matter how subtle. Oh, and if the words are "inconsequential", then why change them at all? :rolleyes:</p>

<p>I will not sing the new version. Period. It's crap; a sop to make some people feel better. No woman at USNA while I was there ever complained about it. Guess they were just hammered into silence, right?</p>

<p>Tell me, how do these changes recognize the "women's part"? When we have transgenders in the service (give it time), will we have to rewrite the words again? Are we going to have to change the titles of all our rates from, say, "Engineman" to "Engineperson" or "Helmsman" to "Directional Controller", all because someone got their undies in a wad?</p>

<p>"Midshiperson", anyone? :rolleyes:</p>

<p>Is THIS that kind of CRAP our leaders are wasting time on? Has our integration of women been so complete that THIS is the crap we have to worry about, now?</p>

<p>Oh, sure! Change the Code of Conduct so someone won't get offended by words, but then send women into places where they might get REALLY tortured (not the Abu Grahib fraternity stunts). Yeah, that makes sense! This is brought to you by the same mentality that thinks that commenting to a woman that she looks nice today is sexual harassment and worthy of keelhauling. :rolleyes:</p>

<p>Pretty soon they'll be demanding we change the phrase "e-mail" because it SOUNDS sexist. :rolleyes:</p>

<p>Hope you all FEEL better, because Lord knows it certainly didn't affect your LIFE any....</p>

<p>
[quote]
There will be a time when all will truely be equal

[/quote]

You mean we're not now?</p>

<p>Funny, but I see men, women, hispanics, whites, blacks, Jews, Christians, Budhists, Muslims, Americans, Foreigners, and a whole bunch of others both entering and succeeding at USNA. Did I miss the memo?</p>

<p>It will be grand when PC dies the death it deserves and is buried, unheralded, in an unmarked grave where it belongs. Sadly, however, there is now an entire industry dedicated to keeping racism, sexism, and any other "ism" you can think of alive and well, not because the "isms" exist, but rather because there is plenty of money to be made and power to be weilded by keeping them alive.</p>

<p>Poor Dr. King must be rolling in his grave....</p>

<p>Yeah, I'd like to be a BGO, but it's political TRASH like this that keeps me away, because I know DAMNED well that it helps no one, and only sows more division. If anything, it makes things WORSE for those supposedly trying to be "helped".</p>

<p>Sometimes I think Zaphod and I must be identical twins separated at birth. I know that can't be the case since I have no Hispanic ancestors. He is also much more literate than I (or is it "me"?).</p>

<p>Bill05010, I am no lawyer, but I think your definition of "fair use" is not correct. Fair use gives one permission to use excerpts of copyrighted material for the purpose of discussion. For example, I can reprint a paragraph out of the New York Times for the purpose of a discussion on a web bulletion board. I can not, however, reprint the entire article unless granted permission from the NYT. Certainly, the NYT would not allow me to reprint the article, change several lines because I did not like the way the reporter phrased something, and attribute it to the original writer. As for Weird Al, he is covered by the the legally recognized concept of parody. I don't think parody songs can be sold using the original copyrighted title.</p>

<p>I get tired of all the PC crap, we no longer have "Founding Fathers", instead we have "Founders". Can anyone name one female who signed the Declaration of Independence?</p>

<p>Mike</p>

<p>Zaphod, I live outside Winston-Salem (a little more conservative than Raleigh). Are you active in any of the alumni organizations in NC? I've been thinking of joining.</p>