<p>I do not have a different metric bearcats. Somerset is as nice as Dubai Mall. Of course, they are very different. Somerset is just a mall, Dubai Mall is more of a city than a mall!</p>
<p>And Somerset is well under one hour’s drive. It is more like 40-45 minutes. It can easily take 30-40 minutes to get to a nice mall in any major city.</p>
<p>This really says it all (it depends on your preference): </p>
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<p>Ann Arbor is the best you can get in terms of “college towns”. But if you prefer a big city atmosphere, Boston obviously wins.</p>
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<p>No one really hits up Detroit on any given weekend night to party/go to clubs. You go if you want to hit up a sporting event/concert mostly. I’ve never been to the DIA, but I’ve heard it’s fantastic (UM actually just finished up its own art museum across the street from the Union – it’s quite good). That said, Boston > Detroit. But I choose UM because of the Ann Arbor factor.</p>
<p>“the 5th largest collection of art in the nation
And? I think art should be measured by quality (or $ worth) , not quantity”</p>
<p>So I assume the DIA isn’t up to snuff? You really are a pompous one. Now you are a food AND art critic.</p>
<p>Bearcats, are you Asian??? I always pictured you as a Jew?</p>
<p>Oh, and seriously? We’re commenting on the art in Ann Arbor? Well Ann Arbor comes before Boston alphabetically. And since being first alphabetically is about 10x as important as the amount of art, I’m calling that one a moot point.</p>
<p>“Oh, and seriously? We’re commenting on the art in Ann Arbor?”
Alexandre was the one who brought it up.</p>
<p>^Then my comment goes to Alexandre.</p>
<p>I never commented on Art in Ann Arbor. I said Detroit offers the amenities of any major city, including great Art and Music.</p>
<p>“the 5th largest collection of art in the nation,”</p>
<p>I was merely commenting on your post</p>
<p>Okay, then I take my comment back.</p>
<p>I dont get how this thread turns into a gigantic mess.</p>
<p>I was just commenting Alexandre’s “Campus Environment: Michigan >>> BU” statement where he made it sound like Ann Arbor is by far a better campus environment than BU. I dont care what “maize and blue” glasses you people here wear but I was demonstrating the fact that you can easily make the opposite case for boston depending what you crave by making one, so Michigan is not >>> BU in that regards unless you are just making a biased comment.</p>
<p>I apologize for not conforming to the Michigan bias that is needed to post on this forum, but I say exactly how I feel without sugarcoating. I think a prospective student has more to gain from knowing both the good and ugly truth than from the typical salesman pitch basically everyone else puts on</p>
<p>Well, I was just expressing my surprise that you were Asian, and stating that coming first alphabetically is 10x more important than having more art, or really I guess just my distaste for art.</p>
<p>where I lived throughout my life has nothing to do with my race, so it’s funny how you immediately concluded that I am asian just from me saying that I lived in HK and Tokyo. where the deals were for my father determined where I stayed throughout my life… So open your mind. There are plenty of expats in both cities.
For the record, I might be asian, I might be white, I might be a jew. I might be hispanic. I might be black. I can tell you I am not native american though</p>
<p>“I was just commenting Alexandre’s “Campus Environment: Michigan >>> BU” statement where he made it sound like Ann Arbor is by far a better campus environment than BU.”</p>
<p>Bearcats, you do realize that I was referring to the ACTUAL campus. Do you honestly believe that BU’s campus can equal Michigan’s campus? Most would say it is not even close.</p>
<p>I had an entirely different comment on “Surrounding areas” in which I said that Ann Arbor > Boston if one wants a college town and that Boston > Ann Arbor if one wants a big city. But where campus environments are concerned, most people would agree that Michigan >>> BU.</p>
<p>Hmmm… Okay then. I guess I figured you were born in Asia, since lots of people move to America, but fewer move from America to Asia. Guess I wouldn’t have known them if they had though.</p>
<p>No because some people like the campus to be a standalone collegetown/city and some people like the city as their campus.
NYU and Columbia love to sell the fact that they have NYC, a world class city, as their “campus”, and for people who love the city, the NYU/Columbia “campus environment” would be better than Ann Arbor. Similar things can be said regarding BU.</p>
<p>Qwerty: Just so you know, in the banking/PE industry, more people move from America to Asia than the other way around. The reason being you want at least a few years of experience in NYC headquarters before lateraling to a regional office, where you would assume a higher rank and be able to negotiate a sweet relocation package. So no, I was not born in Asia. In the case of HK, you pay 15% tax as opposed to more than double the percentage at the top tax bracket in NY, not to mention the slightly lower cost of living. The tax definitely makes a difference when you are making 7-8 figures…and more so going forward.</p>
<p>Not really bearcats, NYU and Columbia sell NYC to people who don’t know better because they have no choice. What are they supposed to say? Sorry, our campus sucks? There is NO, I reapeat, NO substitute for the campus. NYC is not Columbia’s or NYU’s campus. The city certainly does not see itself as such. Their students are not treated with the same respect students in college towns are. Hell, even in Ann Arbor residents do NOT, I repeat, DO NOT, view Ann Arbor as Michigan’s campus. That is not open for debate Bearcats. One can debate whether or not a college town is more ideal than a large city as a setting for a college/university. But when it comes to campus, it is an entirely separate entity. The campus is one thing, its surounding area is an entirely different entity. Yes, in some cases they merge perfectly (as is the case with Georgetown, Michigan, NYU, UNC, UVa) whereas in other cases, the merger is disastrous (as is the case with Chicago, Columbia, Duke, Penn and Yale), but regardless of how well they mesh, they are totally different entities. At least schools like Chicago and Columbia have campuses. The worst scenario is a university that has no campus, like NYU or BU. I have never known a single person who did not regret attending such universities, especially after visiting universities with actual campuses. </p>
<p>For example, going to a Giants or Jets game is not the same as going to a Michigan vs Notre Dame or Michigan vs OSU or Michigan vs MSU or Michigan vs PSU game. Having a major intellectual, artist, leader or industrialist visit campus is not the same as attending one of their events in a major city venue. But most of all, no city can duplicate life on a vibrant and cohesive campus.</p>
<p>Very well put</p>
<p>“Not really bearcats, NYU and Columbia sell NYC to people who don’t know better because they have no choice.”
That’s the same as saying Michigan sell the fictional concept of “campus” to people who don’t know better because they are in the middle of boring midwest with nothing close to what a major city on the east coast like NYC or boston have to offer.</p>
<p>“There is NO, I reapeat, NO substitute for the campus.”
That’s your opinion and you are entitled to it. I’d rather be in a campus in a major city than in a boring “campus” in a city with less than 150000 people. Like it or not, your campus’ surrounding area is a very important part of the whole campus experience. You cant seperate them and rate them seperately. If everything non-university affiliated in Ann Arbor cease to exist, the Michigan campus is completely different. A campus and its setting is a whole package and all factors into the “campus environment”. And despite your claim that BU does not have a campus, they do have one (considering the fact that they have campus police)
Obviously the opposite could be true for someone else. </p>
<p>“I have never known a single person who did not regret attending such universities, especially after visiting universities with actual campuses.”
Have we stooped down to the level of using anecdotal evidence now? </p>
<p>“For example, going to a Giants or Jets game is not the same as going to a Michigan vs Notre Dame or Michigan vs OSU or Michigan vs MSU or Michigan vs PSU game.”</p>
<p>Yet going to a Yankees/Sox game (biggest sports rivalry of all time) at Fenway trump any of those games any day of the week.</p>
<p>“Having a major intellectual, artist, leader or industrialist visit campus”
And who is you to say that a school in the city like Columbia/NYU/BU dont bring in people to visit and give talks?</p>
<p>"But most of all, no city can duplicate life on a vibrant and cohesive campus. "
Again, that’s your opinion. In my opinion, no campus, however vibrant and cohesive, can emulate life in a world-class city like NYC.</p>
<p>And I can give you one of the many things I like at Columbia Campus over Michigan campus.
You can walk from any point of the campus to any other point within a short period of time at Columbia.</p>
<p>Here at Michigan, I live on central and I have one class on central in the middle of the day on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays. That means I have to go a Central->North->Central->North->Central bus tour 3 days a week, on average wasting an hour to an hour and a half in transit (getting to bus stop, waiting for bus, actual travel time) each of those days. </p>
<p>This is just one of the many things that I like more about Columbia campus over Michigan’s. Obviously there are also opposites. For one I dont worry about getting mugged at Michigan. </p>
<p>My point is, Michigan’s campus environment is not a slam dunk over campus environments in the world class cities.</p>
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US News ranks BU Econ #24 last year, not #9. Here’s US News Grad Econ ranking:</p>
<h1>6 Yale; UCB</h1>
<h1>8 Northwestern</h1>
<h1>9 Penn</h1>
<h1>10 Columbia; Minnesota</h1>
<h1>12 Michigan; NYU</h1>
<h1>14 UCLA; UCSD</h1>
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<h1>24 BU</h1>