Quick Q: BU or UMich?

Colleges & Universities A-Z University of Michigan
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<p>“That’s the same as saying Michigan sell the fictional concept of “campus” to people who don’t know better because they are in the middle of boring midwest with nothing close to what a major city on the east coast like NYC or boston have to offer.”</p>

<p>A campus is not fictional Bearcats, it is tangible. The claim that a city like NY serves as the campus of university, now that is fiction. And Bearcats, Chicago = NYC >> Boston. So show some respect for the Midwest. The only cities on earth that have more to offer than Chicago are Paris and London.</p>

<p>“Yet going to a Yankees/Sox game (biggest sports rivalry of all time) at Fenway trump any of those games any day of the week.”</p>

<p>That’s a pretty big statement Bearcats. In my opinion, Michigan vs OSU is a slightly greater rivalry than Yankees/Sox. Given the size of those metro areas, I am sure that Y/S attracts a lot of attention, but the intensity, significance and tradition of the Michigan vs OSU game is hard to beat. Either way, few experts would leave Michigan vs OSU out of their top 3 rivalries (Y v S and Duke vs UNC being the other two).</p>

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<p>“Again, that’s your opinion. In my opinion, no campus, however vibrant and cohesive, can emulate life in a world-class city like NYC.”</p>

<p>Bearcats, I share your zeal for life and the finer things it has to offer. But there is a time for everything. NYC is an awesome city. Not on par with Paris or London if you ask me, but certainly equal to Montreal, Chicago and San Francisco. But all of those cities are not designed for college students. Currently, as a 36 year old married man with money in the bank and a steady cashflow, living in Paris would beat living in Ann Arbor. But as a college student, there is no comparison. Paris (or London or NYC) has very little to offer a student who does not depend on dady’s pocket. Bottom line, I am as much a “big city” dweller as the next guy, but when it comes to college life, college towns are the way to go. I hope you realize that before it is too late (before you graduate). Once those days are gone, they will never return. Having to hop on a bus for an 8 minute trip or having to walk 10-15 minutes to cross campus is a small price to pay for being in the best college environment possible. In the end, a college student will get far more out of life in a college town than in a major city.</p>

<p>This said, I agree that some people want nothing to do with college life. They look down on college students and feel they are wise beyond their years. The completely hate the idea of having to get a degree but do so because society has deemed it a requirement for employment. As such, they take the exams and get the grades in order to graduate. But the rest of the time, they hangf out with non-college students in too-cool-for-college-students hangouts. For such students, NYU and BU are great.</p>

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<p>With all due respect Alexandre, Chicago is NOT=NYC. It is and was always called, “The Second City.” It’s a wonderful town, the closest city in this country to NYC IMO, but it definitely is not it’s equal.</p>

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<p>Let us see Novi:</p>

<p>Architecture: Chicago > NYC
Culture: Chicago = NYC
Arts, Entertainment and Sports (Visual and Peformance): NYC > Chicago (barely)
Cuisine: Chicago = NYC
Universities: Chicago > NYC (Chicago = Columbia = Northwestern > NYU)
Pizza: Chicago >>> NYC (hehe!)
Shopping/Fashion: NYC > Chicago (barely)
Beaches and Parks: Chicago = NYC
Business: NYC > Chicago
People: Chicago > NYC (New Yorkers are unjustifiably arrogant, Chicagoans are welcoming and friendly)</p>

<p>There’s a 3-3-3 record in the 9 criteria above (Pizzas not included of course). </p>

<p>Overall, I agree that NYC is slighly greater than Chicago, but the difference is not as significant as one would think. Personally, I much prefer Chicago to NYC because I tend to prefer Chicago’s culture. Both cities are significantly better than Boston.</p>

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<p>I have nothing to add to this amusing thread, other than to note real estate developers love to conjure up interesting names…like calling a mall a “collection”…LOL.</p>

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<p>Chicago is also a lot cleaner than NYC.</p>

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<p>^^^ Totally agreed. Traditional college campuses also tend to be environmentally better than urban campuses.</p>

<p>“Pizza: Chicago >>> NYC (hehe!)”</p>

<p>Chicago deep dish all the way!</p>

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<p>i dont know how the thread got to this lol…but chicago pizza is not better than NYC if you think that then your an idiot</p>

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<p>Bu-no campus but nice city</p>

<p>definitely umich- great school, great sports</p>

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<p>Alexandre, you just used your own set of criteria, which excludes a lot of factors that favor NYC, but i’ll play your game just to be nice</p>

<p>Architecture: Chicago > NYC
That’s subjective. I prefer the NYC skyline any day.</p>

<p>Culture: Chicago = NYC
Meh</p>

<p>Arts, Entertainment and Sports (Visual and Peformance): NYC > Chicago (barely)
Not barely. As much as I hate the Yanks, it’s America’s team. I assume entertainment includes clubs…in that case Chicago isnt even close.</p>

<p>Cuisine: Chicago = NYC
NO NO NO NO NO. The top few restaurants may be comparable (I know you like Alinea), but NYC’s roster of nice restaurants is a lot deeper, which gives you a lot more choices. (Although I’d rather be in Europe for the cuisine)
Not to mention the fact that there are more ethnic food choices in NYC. Sure you get ethnic food in Chicago too, but I have yet to find a luxurious Chicago Chinese restaurant that serves real quality abalone, shark fin and bird nest soup. You can easily find them in NYC.</p>

<p>Universities: Chicago > NYC (Chicago = Columbia = Northwestern > NYU)
I’ll give you that one.</p>

<p>Pizza: Chicago >>> NYC (hehe!)
Hell no!</p>

<p>Shopping/Fashion: NYC > Chicago (barely)
Definitely not barely. Again it goes back to choices. There are a lot more choices in NYC.</p>

<p>Beaches and Parks: Chicago = NYC
And?</p>

<p>Business: NYC > Chicago</p>

<p>People: Chicago > NYC (New Yorkers are unjustifiably arrogant, Chicagoans are welcoming and friendly)
That again is subjective. I personally prefer New Yorkers who mind their own business than people in Chicago who would randomly annoy you in an elevator.</p>

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<p>What, exactly, are you defining as a campus? Boston U has a great community of students and has a lot of places on its ‘campus’ that aren’t simply part of the city of Boston. For example - take a look at this - [YouTube</a> - Boston University LipDub](<a href=“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mw6I51UE1W8]YouTube”>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mw6I51UE1W8). While the video they shot obviously doesn’t show all of Boston U’s campus, you can definitely see how BU and NYU are not by any means equivalent in terms of their ‘campus.’ And, please, Alexandre, define what you mean when you say a ‘campus’ because I simply cannot understand how you claim that some of these universities have ‘no campus’ whatsoever.</p>

<p>Also, bearcats, you’re awesome.</p>

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<p>I think arguments based on subjectivity are usually “let’s agree to disagree” ones. Preferring one city to another is pretty much the same thing as preferring one sports team to another.</p>

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<p>Anyone who thinks Chicago pizza is superior to New York pizza is seriously on crack. Giordano’s/Gino’s don’t hold a candle to Grimaldi’s/di Fara and this is coming from someone who actually lived in Chicago before.</p>

<p>Also, anyone who thinks Chicago is one of the 10 greatest cities in the world is not very sophisticated at all.</p>

<p>TOP 10 CITIES IN THE WORLD

  1. London
  2. New York City
  3. Paris
  4. Tokyo
  5. Dubai
  6. Hong Kong
  7. Shanghai
  8. Mumbai
  9. Moscow
  10. Buenos Aires</p>
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<p>I would break it down differently. And lesdiablesblues, I consider Chicago one of the top 10 cities in the world, so Iguess I am totally unsophisticated. Dubai does not belong in the top 50, let alone in the top 5. The city has no history, no culture, no good universities, no good school system, not freedom of expression, horrible climate, completely unrefined and uneducated population, average and overpriced restaurants, bad service by unqualified labor from third world countries etc…Is Dubai sophisticated? Hell no! In the Middle East, Beirut beats Dubai by a mile. </p>

<p>Shanghai and Mumbai are third world cities. Sensorship, extreme poverty, corruption, filth, you name it, they’ve got it. Moscow and Buenos Aires are EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY dangerous. </p>

<p>I would definitely add Barcelona, Berlin, Chicago, Geneva, Montreal and San Francisco to the top 10 list. </p>

<p>The very Best:
London
New York
Paris
Tokyo</p>

<p>We agree so far. </p>

<p>Great Cities:
Barcelona
Berlin
Chicago
Geneva
Hong Kong
Montreal
Rome
San Francisco</p>

<p>Honorable Mention:
Beirut
Budapest
Cape Town
Copenhagen
Los Angeles
Lyon
Madrid
Milan
Munich
Prague
Stockholm
Sydney
Toronto
Vancourver
Vienna
Washington, DC</p>

<p>As a resident of Dubai, I would not rate Dubai anywhere near the top 25 cities.</p>

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<p>Is your list based on the perspective of a tourist? I would agree as a tourist, but as a resident, I beg to differ.</p>

<p>London, New York, Paris - YES</p>

<p>Tokyo in top 4 - NO.
If you ask me, Hong Kong over Tokyo any day having lived in both cities, simply judging by the quality of life. It’s also easier to get around with just English in HK than in Tokyo (HK was a british colony)</p>

<p>Barcelona in top 10- NO
I have homestayed in Barcelona for 4 months and that city sucks if you are not a tourist. There’s only so much to do in Las Ramblas and the quality of life stinks, not to mention you cant go out drinking or even go for a casual walk without worrying about being pickpocketed. Certainly has a lot of culture and great for tourist but I would never live there for an extended period of time.</p>

<p>"I would definitely add Barcelona, Berlin, Chicago, Geneva, Montreal and San Francisco to the top 10 list. "
Add Hong Kong and drop Barcelona in your Top 10.
In fact, I would take Hong Kong over all of them as a resident. Hong Kong is not great for tourists but it’s definitely great for business people who make good income. 15% tax goes a long way compared to all the other cities on the list. It’s also safer than any other cities in your top 10.</p>

<p>Obviously these are all subjective opinions and depends on what someone is looking for, but just my $0.02</p>

<p>To lesdiablesbleus:</p>

<p>Dubai, really? I liked the place as a tourist, but if you ask me to stay there for an extended period of time? Hell no.</p>

<p>Are you on crack when you say Mumbai? Shanghai puts up a good show on the outside but if you look closer it’s still a dump. Where the hell did you come up with Buenos Aires?</p>

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<p>Actually, I know exactly how to describte Dubai. The way Dubai is going is basically like Shanghai on steroids. </p>

<p>Both are cities that have serious problems deep down but want to show the world otherwise, and they do so by building a lot of nice buildings and tourist attractions and try to cast a prosperous image on themselves.
Anyone who is moderately well-travelled can see right through them.</p>

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<p>I still like Michigan’s campus over BU’s.</p>

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Agreed. Can you live without facebook?</p>

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Agreed. The quality of life is good for those making lots of money … but you are still subjected to US tax on your worldwide income and revenues.</p>

<p>Hong Kong may be a top 10 city now but it is dropping out fast if they keep building at the expense of preservation. Where is the history … and culture? And the air quality is not getting any better.</p>

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<p>“Agreed. The quality of life is good for those making lots of money … but you are still subjected to US tax on your worldwide income and revenues.”</p>

<p>You dont have to pay for State tax, social security, medicare and NY city tax, also first 90k is exempt. That’s a big chunk of change. In addition, most expats get a huge housing allowance which takes out one of the biggest cost of living. Air quality really isnt a problem if you make good income because you’ll be living on the peak/Jardines Lookout/Mid-levels/Repulse Bay where air quality is much better. </p>

<p>You do have a point wrt history and culture. However, my point was that history/culture matter a lot more to tourist than residents.</p>

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The money is good for sure. And more opportunities too.</p>

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It does if you are raising a family. I take it you haven’t been back recently. The harbor is narrowing and most of the old districts in Central are gone.</p>

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If you make that kinda money, you will spend most of your waking hours in Central. And now there are second hand cigarette smoke at every street corner. Btw, I’m impressed you know Jardine’s Lookout.</p>

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<p>bearcats, history and culture means a lot to many people. They certainly mean a lot to me. Along with a large variety of excellent restaurants and safety, culture and history mean more to me than anything else. No wonder I don’t think highly of Dubai! It is safe, but restaurants suck and there is no history or culture. Dubai, a city with more than one million people, has one restaurants I would describe as “world class”. I would give it a rating of a weak ** by Michelin, and it comes at the price of an expensive *** Michelin restaurant in Paris. There are altogether 10 or so good restaurants, and they will almost be overpriced. In a city the size of Dubai, there should be dozens (over 50 for sure) good restaurants.</p>