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<p>You’ve gotten to the point where your nonsense has become garbage. Your replies aren’t even coherent anymore. Either you explain why the 90th percentile for Asians, roughly speaking, is the 99th percentile for blacks and Hispanics or you accept that there’s a gap and you get over it.</p>
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<p>Your own link, says, quote, “admissions officers continue to place great weight on this test. So it’s important to do well.” This has gone far beyond pathetic.</p>
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<p>In [post</a> 985](<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/1366406-race-college-admission-faq-discussion-10-a-66.html#post16263188]post”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/1366406-race-college-admission-faq-discussion-10-a-66.html#post16263188), you said, quote, “State schools (50%+ selectivity) by mandates from the BD of Regents and other political pressures will routinely waive SAT and GPA requirements.”</p>
<p>Enough garbage. Answer the question: why would T2/T3 schools “routinely waive SAT and GPA requirements” for students who meet the requirements?</p>
<p>I genuinely think sosomenza is not serious. They’re probably cracking up behind the computer. And fabrizio is taking this so seriously too. This thread is a ■■■■■’s haven.</p>
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<p>You wish he’s not serious. Check his posting history. He honestly believes the nonsense he spews.</p>
<p>I don’t wish anything. Actually, if he is serious that makes this debate much more satisfying as a spectator.</p>
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<p>I used to think that, but the sheer delusion and desperation sosomenza has shown made me change my mind. It isn’t funny or amusing anymore. It’s not even sad or pathetic.</p>
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<p>I already told you. I won’t give you my reply until you answer the following: do you acknowledge that there’s a gap at the top?</p>
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<p>Not nonsense just better math skills. You don’t understand the raw percentile is meaningless because as mentioned numerous times the percentage must be converted and then compared to available seating at the elite schools. I think you have finally realized this, but since you can’t win the argument (AA, elite Vs. T2, T3). YOU HAVE TRIED TO MORPH THE ARGUEMENT INTO A SIMPLE ONE ABOUT RAW SAT PERCENTILES. NICE TRY BUT STILL A LOSING ARGUMENT.</p>
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<p>I am having fun with him, but only because he’s so ignorant in so many ways. He doesn’t understand that as soon as I defined elite schools as those between 6-10% selectivity and further defined the population of minority students with a 2100 SAT to be 4903. I essentially squeezed 5000 kids into 2000 slots leaving no room for him to argue a GAP preference. He lost before he even got started. It’s fun to see him go into different directions but only to lose every time. I took him off life support and read his last rites, when I proved that the Princeton Review agreed that the SAT was worthless.</p>
<p>@sosomenza, </p>
<p>You mentioned that you had a quant background. What exactly does that entail ?</p>
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If it is so clear that the SAT is worthless, then why do all the selective colleges REQUIRE it? Schools could go the UT route and admit on class rank, or they could go the lottery route and pull a name out of a hat.</p>
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<p>Your entire farcical argument rests on the assumption that the percentiles are the same across racial classifications, so if twice as many blacks and Hispanics take the SAT as compared to Asians, then there will be twice as many blacks and Hispanics who score above, say, 700 as compared to Asians. This is the assumption you make when you wave your hands furiously and scream, “I can’t be wrong! I can’t be wrong! There are so many blacks and Hispanics who take the SAT!”</p>
<p>Except, there aren’t twice as many blacks and Hispanics scoring 2100+/2400 as compared to Asians. In fact, there are three times as many Asians scoring 2100+/2400 as compared to blacks and Hispanics, and that is despite blacks and Hispanics outnumbering Asians by more than 2-to-1 on taking the SAT. There is a huge gap both in terms of the percentiles and in terms of the number of students who achieve 2100+/2400.</p>
<p>The top 1% of blacks and Hispanics perform at the level of the top 10% of Asians, and you deny the existence of a gap. The willful ignorance and sheer desperation you’ve displayed to keep your delusional fantasy alive is stunningly sad, but your inability to [read</a> your own sources](<a href=“http://www.princetonreview.com/college/4-sat-myths.aspx]read”>The New SAT. We're ON IT. | The Princeton Review) definitely takes the cake. You claim the Princeton Review says the SAT is useless, but by their own words, quote, “admissions officers continue to place great weight on this test. So it’s important to do well.”</p>
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<p>Enough garbage from you. Answer the question: why would T2/T3 schools “routinely waive SAT and GPA requirements” for students who meet the requirements?</p>
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<p>Assuming he’s telling the truth, I’d guess he got where he is in life by threatening to sue his employers for racial discrimination if he didn’t get hired and then promoted. The arrogance, ignorance, and incompetence is mind blowing.</p>
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<p>Ha more nonsense. Do you not even think before you write. You’re the one claiming discrimination? Asians are the one’s suing. You’ve said a lot of nonsense but congratulations. This might be the most ludicrous post ever.</p>
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<p>Well as we know it, it’s dead and changing. Besides no one outside Adcom really knows how important it is? It’s the definition of subjective. My opinion is that any test that they let you retake over and over just isn’t that important. If I had to quantify importance, I’d say maybe 20% or less of the application. In the aggregate it’s minor. Princeton Review agrees that it does not test intelligence and think colleges think along the same lines. </p>
<p>Let’s hope the new SAT actually tests something.</p>
<p>At the end of the day (literally), you have never explained why T2/T3 state schools "[will</a> routinely waive SAT and GPA requirements](<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/1366406-race-college-admission-faq-discussion-10-a-66.html#post16263188]will">http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/1366406-race-college-admission-faq-discussion-10-a-66.html#post16263188)" for students who meet the requirements. Nor will you ever do so because there is no way you can without admitting that your argument is a farce.</p>
<p>450 to 550 per section is, roughly, the difference between the 57th and the 87th percentile for blacks and Hispanics. With around 490,000 black and Hispanic college-bound seniors, we’re talking about under 147,000 black and Hispanic students who scored between 1350/2100 and 1650/2100. 147,000 (or to be conservative, even 100,000) is certainly more than enough for T2/T3 state schools, which do not even consider racial classification to begin with, to have “enough” “underrepresented” minorities.</p>
<p>So why would these schools “routinely waive SAT and GPA requirements” for black and Hispanic applicants when there are easily over 100,000 black and Hispanic college-bound seniors who can meet them? The answer is, of course, that sosomenza is completely clueless and has no idea what he’s talking about. T2/T3 state schools don’t consider racial classification because they don’t have to; they can easily admit enough black and Hispanic students who meet their requirements.</p>
<p>Elites, on the other hand, do consider racial classification because there aren’t enough high-scoring blacks and Hispanics. There were less than 4,903 black and Hispanic college-bound seniors who scored 2100+/2400 last year, compared to less than 17,732 Asians. 17,732 is more than enough for fifty top schools, research universities and LACs, to have “enough” Asians. Indeed, it’s pretty common to see those top-ranked universities with around 300 or so Asian freshmen, which is close to 17732/50 ~= 355.</p>
<p>4,903 divided by 50 is less than 98. Caltech aside, there isn’t a single top-ranked university that would be satisfied with less than 98 black and Hispanic freshmen. It’s common to see around 200. Where do those other 100 or so students come from? They must have lower scores.</p>
<p>That’s racial preferences. Elites do not have to admit lower-scoring Asians to have “enough.” They do for blacks and Hispanics. This is really so obvious that it’s mind blowing how sosomenza can so arrogantly pretend to pass off his ignorance as the facts.</p>
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<p>At the moment it entails schooling Fabrizio about basic math and forecasting. That’s all you need to know.</p>
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<p>I GUESS YOU WANT OFF THE HOOK PRETTY BADLY. OKAY I WILL SHOW YOU THE LARGESS OF A MINORITY AND START A NEW DEBATE-YOUR WELCOME.</p>
<p>The function of state universities is a by-product of public administration. It is in the best interest of the state to have an educated workforce so it will pump in billions of dollars into the university system. What I said is that the state will routinely waive SAT and GPA requirements. That does not mean that they do it for everyone but it is done because again it is in the best interest of the State to have an educated workforce. </p>
<p>In my opinion State funded universities is a shining bright spot of American History. I think it’s a great, great thing.</p>