<p>There is no right to higher education. The Constitution is a legal document not easily understood by people who disregard facts to desperately maintain their delusions.</p>
<p>You did not answer my question. Why admit “borderline students” when there are so many (100,000 to 147,000) black and Hispanic students who meet the requirements? The answer is obvious: T2/T3 state schools have no incentive to admit “borderline students” when they can so easily draw from such a large pool of black and Hispanic college-bound seniors who meet their requirements.</p>
<p>Suppose your “Baronian” people are considered “underrepresented” minorities and that elites want to make sure that they have enough “Baronians” for “diversity” purposes. Supposing further that there are seven “less than ten” elites, 500/7 rounds to 71. But 71 “Baronians” is considered an unacceptably low number by each of the elites. They desire around 200 “Baronians” in their incoming classes.</p>
<p>Where do the remaining 129 “Baronians” come from? Well, the seven “less than ten” elites must admit them from…wait for it…wait for it…wait for it…lower-scoring “Baronians.”</p>
<p>That is racial preferences in action. You get nothing. Good day, sir.</p>
<p>@soso,
No. The real shameful issue in your hypothetical example is, instead of cherry-picking the few 500 out of 100, 000 students that meet the lowest threshold for admission, why has our K-12 system failed to prepare the other 99, 500…</p>
<p>“You also commented that hard work should be rewarded. Well, it must really suck to be an asian kid w high stats who has a MAYBE chance of being admitted into a very selective school, as compared to other minority-group kid w high stats who has a CERTAIN chance of being admitted.”</p>
<p>Can you spell out how this is related to “hard work”? Are you saying having high stats equals hard work? Also, are you saying “high stats” minority kids have a 100 percent admission rate? That has not been my impression. </p>
<p>FWIW,I don’t think it is a good idea to make this thread about what “sucks” the most.</p>
<p>1) Black & Hispanic students face admittance pressure. Nobody has a certain chance of being admitted. Again at the top schools, you’re insinuating the 4903, 2100+ SAT test takers are inferior because it’s easier for them. They have the scores and the grades. Why is it easier? That is wrong and it’s what I’m fighting against. </p>
<p>2)Guess what? Every race has a diversity hurdle. If Harvard accepts 250 black applicants. Do you think that it only received 250 qualified applications? The answer is no. Some very good kids were likely rejected.</p>
<p>3)Caltech? It could be a function of the higher than average California population or that Blacks and Hispanics probably prefer to go somewhere else. But if the top 4903 SAT scorers flooded Caltech. Minority admissions would go way up.</p>
<p>Again more ignorance. Your comparing state mandates against the federal constitution. The States can craft its own education policy, within the limits of federal funding. It’s essentially a states right issue. OPEN A CIVICS BOOK!</p>
<p>Uh, you know that the Baronians don’t exist right? I just want to make sure you do. Again your math is ridiculously faulty. Why would any elite school want 200 kids when the population is only ten thousand students. This really does show on your part an inability to compare numbers. Consider yourself taken to task.</p>
<p>You said, quote, “In America, everyone has a right to an education.” You did not say, “In America, if you live in certain states, you have a right to an education.” Again, the Constitution is a bit problematic for people who disregard facts to desperately cling on to their delusional fantasies.</p>
<p>
</p>
<p>Uh, you know what the word “suppose” means, right? I guess not since you think the Princeton Review supports your belief that the SAT is worthless when the Princeton Review said, quote, “it’s important to do well on this test.” And for someone who loves to pretend that he has even a kindergartener’s grasp of logical reasoning, think about it for one second: why would an organization whose very existence depends on people preparing for the SAT say the SAT is worthless?</p>
<p>By the way, it’s hilarious that you randomly pick a few numbers out of thin air in an attempt to make a point (while obliviously failing at it) and then balk when I do the same. The only difference is that I used your example to show what you’ve been blind to the whole time: there aren’t enough high-scoring blacks and Hispanics for the all the institutions that seek the illusion of “diversity” to have enough without resorting to admitting lower-scoring blacks and Hispanics.</p>
<p>With (less than) 17,732 Asians scoring 2100+/2400, there is no need for the top 50 schools (research universities and LACs) to admit lower-scoring Asians. They certainly can, as the SAT isn’t everything, but they don’t have to. With (less than) 4,903 black and Hispanic college-bound seniors scoring at that range, there aren’t enough of them for the top 50 schools to be satisfied. 4,903/50 is less than 98; most LACs, which are much smaller than the research universities, wouldn’t even be content with that.</p>
<p>Far more than “less than ten” schools care about the illusion of “diversity.” At minimum, 50 schools across both research universities and LACs desire such a perception on their campuses. They all want high-scoring blacks and Hispanics, but there’s less than 4,903 to go around. That’s why they practice racial preferences.</p>
<p>On the other hand, there’s 100,000 to 147,000 blacks and Hispanics who score between 1350 and 1650/2100. That’s more than enough for T2/T3 state schools to have “enough,” especially when you consider that those schools do not consider racial classification to begin with. That’s why they don’t practice racial preferences.</p>
<p>It’s so simple. Only someone who is intent on ignoring all the facts out of sheer desperation to preserve his fragile ego’s delusional fantasy could possibly think that it’s the other way around.</p>
<p>You are delusional since every state sponsors a university system. I challenge you to name a state that does not. How many times do I have to prove you wrong. You’re not nearly smart enough to just write free flowing thoughts. Think before you write!
It will be less painful.</p>
<p>Per Princeton Review “Your SAT scores reflect how good you are at taking the SAT (as well as how much time you spent preparing)–and that’s about it. Nevertheless, admissions officers continue to place great weight on this test. So it’s important to do well.”</p>
<p>This sounds pretty worthless to me. But in order to be fair I will revise my wording. The SAT is worthless at predicting intelligence. Those that have a 2350 three time superscore, congratulations you’ve proved nothing about intelligence, and if you do not get in, then apparently the college also agrees that your score is worthless. IS THAT BETTER?</p>
<p>My point was to show that the bottom test takers do not discredit the top. Your point was to show a blatantly false preference system. Again two very different things. Your ability to grasp the difference here and among any other things is your downfall. Have I mentioned that every state has a system of college education? I encourage you to try it.</p>
<p>(for Elite Schools) One of many the collapses of your logic is that you don’t know the stats of the rejected candidates Until one does, no one can say if there is racial preferences. Until then it remains the myth of whiners and the excuse of those who just can’t admit that they just weren’t good enough. Sooner or later, regardless of what you’ve been taught, you will have to accept that there are lot of people who are just as good as you are!</p>
<p>And? Your point is? Nothing, of course. You just want to avoid answering why T2/T3 state schools “routinely waive SAT and GPA requirements” when there are 100,000-147,000 blacks and Hispanics who meet their requirements.</p>
<p>Oh, of course, states want an educated workforce. OK. Unless you want to say that 100,000-147,000 blacks and Hispanics is not enough, you still haven’t answered why T2/T3 state schools are going to “routinely waive SAT and GPA requirements” when so many blacks and Hispanics meet their requirements.</p>
<p>So is it not enough? If it’s not enough, then guess what? You’ve just admitted that there’s a gap in the middle, contradicting your denial from several pages back. But if it is enough, then guess what? There’s no need for those schools to “routinely waive SAT and GPA requirements” because they can easily admit enough blacks and Hispanics. You lose either way. It only took us this long because you keep denying facts at every turn.</p>
<p>You can’t read. I said research universities and LACs; 25 from each makes 50. Not surprising given that you pathetically misquoted the Princeton Review at least four times.</p>
<p>Not even your “less than ten” elites “require a 2100 test score.” Not a single selective university states that they have any sort of official SAT requirement. But you can check the common data sets at the top 25 research universities and the top 25 LACs, and you can easily see that a majority of the students will have scores per section of at least 700.</p>
<p>So while it’s not a requirement, it remains that most of the students at those schools have such scores. There were less than 4,903 2100+/2400 scoring black and Hispanic college-bound seniors in 2012. Again, divide that by 50, and you get a number less than 98, which is far below “enough” for any of these 25+25=50 schools.</p>
<p>This is why they practice racial preferences. T2/T3 state schools, on the other hand, can select from 100,000-147,000 black and Hispanic students who meet their requirements. So they have no reason at all to practice racial preferences, especially since…wait for it…they do not consider racial classification to begin with.</p>
<p>Oh, of course, “I can’t be wrong! I can’t be wrong!” You are wrong. Get over it.</p>
<p><a href=“for%20Elite%20Schools”>quote</a> One of many the collapses of your logic is that you don’t know the stats of the rejected candidates Until one does, no one can say if there is racial preferences. Until then it remains the myth of whiners and the excuse of those who just can’t admit that they just weren’t good enough. Sooner or later, regardless of what you’ve been taught, you will have to accept that there are lot of people just as good as you are!
[/quote]
</p>
<p>Oh, this argument. If you’re pulling this, then I know that you have absolutely nothing left to throw at me; you finally exhausted every possible lie you could come up with.</p>
<p>Since you think there are “less than ten” elites, we can easily check what the other schools’ Presidents have to say about this. Your choice whether you want to continue embarrassing yourself.</p>
<p>^See above! Besides my point was to prove that the right to an education is pretty well established. You were ignorant to this fact and now you’re not. Your welcome.</p>
<p>What’s your point? You think 1350/2400 is too low? Fine. Name a T2/T3 state school, and we’ll see if it has a common data set. Go on, pick any one you like. We can go through as many as you like until you want to ignore the facts.</p>
<p>Except…it isn’t. It’s not in the Constitution, and if you’re going to invoke the Tenth Amendment, you can’t say “in America, everyone has the right…” You can only say, “in America, residents of certain states have the right…”</p>
<p>But this is tangential to how you still can’t answer why T2/T3 state schools “routinely waive SAT and GPA requirements” when there are 100,000-147,000 blacks and Hispanics who meet their requirements. If you want to claim that 1350/2100 is too low, no problem. You name any T2/T3 state school you like, we’ll check the common data set, and we’ll repeat this process until you resume ignoring the facts, waving your hands frantically, and screaming “I can’t be wrong!”</p>