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<p>sosomenza’s “logic” in a nutshell: the earth is round, therefore the sky is red. The last ten pages should give everyone fair warning that any advice from sosomenza should be immediately ignored and forgotten. Thank you for voluntarily providing a valuable service to CC.</p>
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<p>This is the way the Fab’s argument ends, not with a bang but with a whimper. </p>
<p>To all others: I know that I’ve hogged the pages this last week. But many young bright minorities are reporting to college, including the elite universities. When you see them walking down the pathway, do not be swayed by outdated prejudices. Do not assume the worse. Embrace the diversity. It will make you a stronger person.</p>
<p>It’s hard to embrace anything at all at an elite university when one is physically barred from walking down the pathway of the university, because one is forced to jump a higher bar…</p>
<p>No one is forced to jump a higher bar beyond non-legacies.</p>
<p>Wow sosa.</p>
<p>Sosomenza
“Deception refers to all the pretenders. Those who begin memorizing SAT test questions in the 8th grade, not really knowing the concept but recognizing the answer, betting that SAT will recycle test questions. Fraud refers more to international candidates. Fraud domestically, I would assume is about the same for all races.”</p>
<p>How many start memorizing test questions in the 8th grade? </p>
<p>-PROVE IT with numbers. (instead of spewing hate statement again!! Who are the pretenders? You continue to spew HATE on kids who you don’t even know!) </p>
<p>My daughter’s Gifted teacher asked her to take ACT test when she was in 7th grade, just to get a feel. Without preparation she scored higher than 75 percentile of our state flagship enrolled students. She didn’t take any since then and she is 10th grade now, she won’t take SAT or next ACT until junior year and is not preparing anything until she takes classes. I guess kids you mentioned are in this situation, no memorizing of test questions at all. Exclude this kind and give me number of how many are memorizing test questions of all subjects. </p>
<p>Also, please PROVE your statements I listed in post #1008 are true before you write any more hate statements to fabrizio.</p>
<p>Before sosomenza give all evidences to my post #1008, no one need to reply to her nonsenses. But it is interesting to see sosomenza couldn’t hold any truth.</p>
<p>I say maybe we ask NCAA to cap black athletes because they are ORM.</p>
<p>"But many young bright minorities are reporting to college, including the elite universities. When you see them walking down the pathway, do not be swayed by outdated prejudices. Do not assume the worse. Embrace the diversity. It will make you a stronger person. "</p>
<p>In current situation (under Affirmative Action), EVERYONE knows huge portion of blacks are academically under-qualified to elite universities - not a prejudice. (TV programs specifically report about it, NYT had an article about “Application Reader”…) No matter how you argue it/spin it, it is a fact and it only hurt you, not helping you.</p>
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<p>^Wow, just when I thought nothing could surprise me! </p>
<p>OP, the arguments at hand are far above your ability to write in English. Sorry to be harsh, maybe you have some good points to make, maybe you don’t. But it starts with the ability to write.</p>
<p>sosomenza,
Don’t shy away. Answer questions in #1008.</p>
<p>Your s to fabrizio
“Again another lie. As mentioned numerous time, states are deeply invested into educating all races.”</p>
<p>Also, I already declared fabrizio won the round, he gave 3 states as proof and ended up gave 20. You lose. Get over it. He is tired of arguing with a person who is not reasonable and not providing evidence. He said "sosomenza’s “logic” in a nutshell: the earth is round, therefore the sky is red. " I agree with him, you are not logical at all. Not only he realized it, you gave many on this thread the same impression. hahaha.</p>
<p>P.S. My second language is certainly better than yours. :-)</p>
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<p>Everything’s been answered over and over. See the last 160 posts) I spent nearly a week trying to educate Frabrizio I also find it a bit laughable that you have to fight his battles. Are you his mother? </p>
<p>Anyway, if you do not understand how heavily the state subsidizes it’s university system then we cannot continue. Maybe you should consider going back to school, which by the way will likely be subsidized.</p>
<p>No, what you’ve done, over and over, is pretend that non sequiturs aren’t logical fallacies.</p>
<p>sosomenza’s “logical reasoning” - Fact: There are many more T2/T3 state schools than elites. Conclusion: Racial preferences are more prevalent at T2/T3 state schools than elites.</p>
<p>That conclusion does not follow from the fact; it is a non sequitur. What does the number of T2/T3 state schools have anything to do with whether racial preferences are more prevalent there than at elites? Nothing. Your conclusion is not based on the fact at all; rather, it is based on an implicit assumption that racial preferences are more common there than at elites. That is, your conclusion merely restates your assumption.</p>
<p>The correct conclusion requires us to consider additional facts, namely, that T2/T3 state schools admit largely based on SAT and GPA cutoffs and that there are 100,000-147,000 blacks and Hispanics who scored 1350-1650/2100 on the SAT in 2012. With these two, we see that T2/T3 state schools do not practice racial preferences because they have no reason to. They admit based on “numbers only,” there are more than enough blacks and Hispanics who meet their requirements, and nobody really complains about getting rejected at a T2/T3 state school anyway, so “political pressures” are completely moot.</p>
<p>Here’s my prediction as to what you’ll say:</p>
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<p>Sosomenza,</p>
<p>You had answered nothing with evidences regarding questions in post #1008. Looks like you are afraid of my questions. hahaha.</p>
<p>And you provide no proof to anything you stated over and over again to fabrizio, though you occupied many pages. I don’t need to fight his battles for him, he already won. I was just declaring it. </p>
<p>Try again with evidences!</p>
<p>My friend wrote a good essay about affirmative action that made me kind of see both sides. I am Asian, though, and I can say that the negativity towards affirmative action really wanes after you’ve gotten into a college that you wanted to.
[Oh</a> affirmative action, how I love to hate you | After Admission](<a href=“http://afteradmission.■■■■■■■■■■■■■/2013/08/19/oh-affirmative-action-how-i-love-to-hate-you/]Oh”>Oh affirmative action, how I love to hate you | After Admission)</p>
<p>^ I’m not complaining because I think we went a whole weekend without the poor Asain whine song. Re: the Article</p>
<p>1)AA in the public university system, because of subsidization, benefits everyone, especially those who are overrepresented. AA is a poor choice of words</p>
<p>2)Asians are an ORM, so it will always be a tough sell to claim discrimination. Since we do not have the stats of rejected applicant, it’s all guess work and certainly is not proven.</p>
<p>3)The research for the mentioned studies is out date and questionable.</p>
<p>4)Arguing that one is better based on SAT results is giving too much importance to the SAT. It’s important to realize that a score of 150 points better than the next guy is not enough to give you the nod. In the aggregate of the entire application, the SAT is minor.</p>
<p>5)It is unknown what the SAT represents. Most would agree that it’s not an intelligence tests. Princeton Review claims that the only thing it tests is the ability to take the SAT.</p>
<p>Sorry Fab, argument’s over. You lost. On to the next one. If you wish to argue something new then post someting fresh.</p>
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<p>Oh, the argument was over when you showed everyone, repeatedly, that your arguments are nothing but non sequiturs. Once again, I thank you for providing a valuable service to CC: everyone who read this thread will know to ignore every piece of advice you give.</p>
<p>sosomenza,</p>
<p>I am so so sorry for you to not being able to even answer one question in #1008 with proof. I am still waiting, after 10 pages of your nonsense you are still quiet on these…</p>
<p>Stop whining about you lost the debate. There is no doubt that you lose to fabrizio. </p>
<p>The only proof you showed us is: you couldn’t base your opinions on any ground.</p>
<p>Shamefully declare yourself won wouldn’t change anyone’s impression on your illogical thinking process, it’s all on display. :-)</p>
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<p>^^Yes it is.</p>
<p>^^ “Yes it is.” - your illogical thinking process is all on display!</p>
<p>You lost. 
Fabrizio won! Case closed.</p>
<p>Answer my post #1008 with evidences! :-)</p>
<p>Someone here is trolling someone but I’m not sure who.</p>
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