<p>Wait so University of Michigan Ann Arbor doesn’t use race as a factor at all. I thought it was only the law school. Or maybe I have them backwards</p>
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<p>Gratz held that Michigan’s pre-2003 undergraduate affirmative action policy was un-Constitutional, but Grutter reaffirmed the legitimacy of affirmative action not only in Michigan’s law school but also everywhere so long as affirmative action is implemented correctly.</p>
<p>It is imperative, however, to understand that as of now, the Supreme Court has held that the Constitution merely permits affirmative action. By no means does the Constitution mandate affirmative action. And so, the voters of Michigan decided in 2006 to ban the use of racial classification in the public sector, including public university admissions, by a sixteen point margin.</p>
<p>^ ^ There is a new state law in Michigan since the pair of Supreme Court decisions. It was passed by voter initiative. </p>
<p>[Michigan</a> Civil Rights Initiative - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_Civil_Rights_Initiative]Michigan”>Michigan Civil Rights Initiative - Wikipedia) </p>
<p>P.S. I see Fabrizio posted while I was looking up the link.</p>
<p>Detailed news story about Department of Education civil rights enforcement: </p>
<p>[Officials</a> Step Up Enforcement of Rights Laws in Education - NYTimes.com](<a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/08/education/08educ.html]Officials”>http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/08/education/08educ.html)</p>
<p>Heres a pretty good read [The</a> New Jim Crow | Mother Jones](<a href=“http://motherjones.com/politics/2010/03/new-jim-crow-war-on-drugs]The”>The New Jim Crow – Mother Jones)</p>
<p>Why are there so many race threads??</p>
<p>The issue of whether racial classification ought to be used in college admissions is highly contentious. That is basically why this thread is in its seventh incarnation.</p>
<p>Does anyone know where I can find statistics for the percentage of Asian applicants accepted at Top LACs such as Amherst, Middlebury, Bowdoin and Williams? A lot of the data I find online shows the percent of the freshman body that is Asian. I’m more interested in finding let’s say, Y many students applied to Bowdoin, X many accepted a spot, and the acceptance rate for Asian applicants is X/Y. Where can I find these numbers?</p>
<p>The public doesn’t have access to information of such a sort.</p>
<p>To respond to what you’re trying to get at: Asians have superior chances of admission to the top LACs, especially Asian males. This, one can gather from looking at Enrollment by Race data at these colleges.</p>
<p>Asian males are a minority.</p>
<p>Lets just say that it is tough.</p>
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<p>The fact that they may be a minority does not imply they have an advantage. That would imply a concerted effort to raise their numbers by the admissions committee. And frankly, at schools like Williams and Amherst, I highly doubt they are any more a minority than they are at Harvard, meaning they are not underrepresented.</p>
<p>You can’t figure out admissions preferences simply by looking at the demographics of the student body.</p>
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<p>Colleges surely gather such data. (They have to, by federal regulation.) But colleges generally don’t publish such data. Once in a while an independent researcher is able to obtain such data by promise of anonymity when describing college policies, but I haven’t seen a recent study focused on Asian applicants to LACs, and the promise of anonymity would make it difficult to figure out which colleges are involved if such a study appeared. At least one participant here on CC has asked the federal Department of Education for such data (that is, APPLICANT data rather than enrolled student data) but did not receive it, according to a private message that participant sent me. You could ask the federal Department of Education and see if you get any useful response–the data are there.</p>
<p>Follow-up:</p>
<p><a href=“%5Burl=http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1064241146-post476.html]#476[/url]”>quote</a> I don’t see the relevance of [this</a> question](<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1064241080-post475.html]this”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1064241080-post475.html). Setting social policy is different from choosing a mate…</p>
<p>…Choosing a mate, I think, has as little to do with promoting cultural diversity…
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<p>An anthropologist’s view on how personal decisions ultimately contribute toward culture:</p>
<p>[The</a> Origin of Cultures: How Individual Choices Make Cultures Change (Key Questions in Anthropology)](<a href=“http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1598740687?ie=UTF8&tag=wwwviolentkicom&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=1598740687]The”>http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1598740687?ie=UTF8&tag=wwwviolentkicom&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=1598740687):</p>
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<p>If race and ethnicity is indeed a social construct as opposed to a biological demarcation, then should a person be allowed to choose what ethnicity or race he or she belongs to?</p>
<p>It sounds really naive but it makes sense logically.</p>
<p>Asians and Whites know that their “race/ethnicity” wont help them in the college process. Who wouldnt list Black or Hispanic if it means that they might get a boost?</p>
<p>The argument isn’t whether or not affirmative action policies should be outlawed. It’s whether or not race, both of the applicant and of the makeup of the institution should be considered, which I believe it shouldn’t be.</p>
<p>Rejecting an Asian applicant with 4.0 2400 is outrageous if the only reasoning behind it is that “we already have of Asians.” Be careful: I’m not saying that 4.0s and 2400s are this and that, that they should be automatically accepted. I’m just saying that racial diversity simply cannot be a factor in their rejections.</p>
<p>You’re penalizing him or her for something that is out of his or her control. If he or she knew(which he or she probably does), the applicant will almost definitely experience–or even worse, exhibit–repugnance for his or her race.</p>
<p>Why be it if it doesn’t do you any good?</p>
<p>(Goddamn I hate writing his or her just to be grammatically correct.)</p>
<p>There are logical reasons why affirmative action is wrong. “You’re punishing people for something they can’t control!” is not one of them.</p>
<p>Because lots of things that are very relevant to college admissions are outside of the student’s control. You can’t control the conditions you were born into. You can’t control your innate talent at schoolwork. You can’t (unless you are very well-off) control the school you go to. Does anyone honestly think that colleges should stop considering bad conditions, school rigor, and the SAT in admissions? After all, you can’t choose not to be born rich!</p>
<p>It’s not a logical reason. It is a reason.</p>
<p>It’s a reason like “because affirmative action causes school shootings” is a reason. It’s based on an assumption that is simply not true.</p>
<p>Based on an assumption that’s simply not true? In what regard? You don’t think Asians/Whites are furious over getting rejected, period?</p>
<p>I don’t think anyone believes in a principle that college admissions should never consider any factors that you can’t personally control.</p>
<p>OK and I do. I just wanted to clear up that my reasoning was not based off assumptions.</p>