<p>oh because you think that’s all we suffer. pretty convenient of you to say that as someone from South Carolina, which I am sure is one of the most diverse states ever amirite</p>
<p>we may face a slightly different set of issues, but the core causes of the issues have not changed, so Malcolm X speaks poignantly. Academics may be one of our recognisable boons, so you think, but it is a zero-sum game – every spot that an Asian wins ends up only winning a spot from some other Asian – the boons are almost meaningless, while meanwhile millions of my poorer peers (who I went to HS with) must compete on unequal footing.</p>
<p>our political situation has not changed. we are just as politically and socially powerless now as we were in 1964.</p>
<p>true, some of the fault lies with our parents, for complacently buying into the American dream but not realising that fighting for political and social capital was a concomitant prerequisite.</p>
<p>If we measure merit or discriminate by racial appearance, why not discriminate by hotness too? All college applicants should now have to compete amongst each other in HOT OR NOT? tests.</p>
<p>Shrinkwrap: Neorobie is NOT my real name or my last name. It’s just a username which I made up in honor of someone who helped prepped with me for the SAT.</p>
<p>My last name, which I won’t disclose for privacy reasons IS asian.</p>
<p>no, Shrinkwrap, I inferred because she posted a post … about her name, which was different from her rather pretty username. But see, college admissions officers would never see her actual identity beneath the surface…all they would see would be her Asian last name.</p>
<p>adcoms should be blind to the actual names – they should read applicant numbers – just like with the SAT and AP tests. Expressed diversity should come out through the writing – because face it, diversity is essentially worthless to others on campus if it is not expressed. The expression is what matters, and makes an impact on others.</p>
<p>Diversity in viewpoint, ideals, aspirations, socioeconomics – these all carry true social force.</p>
<p>evitaperon: but now what do I do? should I mark asian or not for the schools that practice affirmative action? hmm… i wouldn’t mind checking the box for like statistical data and stuff as long as it doesn’t… you know… hurt my chances in any way… if it does… I dunno.</p>
<p>I would dissent. The approach to racial statistics collection is flawed to begin with, on many levels. It is not even scientifically accurate. Why assist a flawed endeavour?</p>
<p>…What does my location have to do with the status of Asians in America? Are you calling me a bigot or something? Can you spell, “stereotyping”?</p>
<p>Couldn’t the same thing about “Every spot that an Asian wins…blarg” be said for just about every group? And even more poignantly about other groups? </p>
<p>Can you seriously argue that Asians’ socioeconomic status relative to whites has not improved significantly since the 60s? That all this “hard work” and devotion to education has seriously been in vain for Asian Americans?</p>
<p>in fact, (to neorobie and other Asians) to complicate things for the system, that will impact you far beyond college admissions – I suggest doing things to begin erasing your legal racial identity; because while we may be proud of having a “thick” culture – to use the terminology of Nobel Prize winner Amartya Sen – we should not assist an ignorant system in abusing the classification for flawed purposes. Our Asian last names will continue haunting us all the way to our employment, and God forbid if we do freelancing or solicitation work. </p>
<p>The Jews and the Irish and the Germans all used the same tactics. If we must play hardball, so be it.</p>
<p>it has everything to do with Asians in America.</p>
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<p>oh now you see the violence inherent in the system. I am unsympathetic. I am simply reciprocating to you the same sorts of stereotypes your kin has fostered upon us.</p>
<p>no, but certainly we have overinvested in hard work, and underinvested in political activism, social capital, media control and management. </p>
<p>Our model minority reputation has brought us more troubles than benefits, both economically and socially. Redlining has impacted Asians as well. Our homeowners’ insurance premiums on average are significantly higher than that of whites’ – why is that?</p>
<p>I mean you would think that overinvesting in hard work would be a good thing, but ah, not when confronted with the sad reality that is the American sociopolitical system.</p>
<p>But just so I understand you Evita; leaving college admission and diversity aside, do you believe your race influences your perspective? Do you think you would feel as passionately about this if not for your race?</p>
<p>Signed, non Irish person with Irish last name.( Guess how THAT happened!)</p>
<p>Why? I’m part of UVA’s Organisation of Young Filipino Americans, even though I’m not Filipino. They happen to be one of the most vibrant, open and healthy organisations around, and in contrast with most orgs, elections are engineered to promote election by merit rather than popularity.</p>
<p>Certainly if we can give force to dispelling organisational cultures that dissuade other races from joining multicultural groups, I am all for that. I am all for cultural mixing and exchange. That doesn’t mean that we should defer to mainstream culture as the superior solution, however, and practice only that.</p>
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What does my location have to do with the status of Asians in America? Are you calling me a bigot or something?
it has everything to do with Asians in America.</p>
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Can you spell, “stereotyping”?
oh now you see the violence inherent in the system. I am unsympathetic. I am simply reciprocating to you the same sorts of stereotypes your kin has fostered upon us.</p>
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<p>My kin! What do you know about my kin? Who do you take more for? I live in South Carolina, so suddenly my kin are fostering stereotypes on Asians? Lolwhat? Am I suddenly a redneck xenophobic Republican who worships Glenn Beck and speaks with a southern drawl because I live in South Carolina?</p>
<p>Oh, please. Now you’re just demonstrating your hypocrisy. Not only that - you have to resort on a red herring to get a point across. Let’s discuss the facts! Asian socioeconomic status in the US has improved relative to whites, and continues to improve today. Other ethnic groups are in a much more dire position.</p>
<p>High homeowner insurance premiums? Oh, that’s terrible! But is that so unlikely to improve as Asians continue their socioeconomic development in the US?</p>
<p>evitaperon: oh crud… its a lost cause. They ask for your parents’ country of birth. and that’s not optional. =( if i didn’t check the race boxes, will they use my parents’ country of birth against me?</p>
<p>Bay: Even though I am not in any, I think ethnicity-based clubs are okay as long as anyone can join.</p>
<p>and in regards to south carolina… ironically I did apply to the university of south carolina and should be getting the result starting next week lol</p>
<p>It’s called reciprocal justice, the kind that Malcolm X advocated – since you support prejudice against my group, well – what comes around, goes around. We will never gain political and social equality if we are reluctant to use our teeth.</p>
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And I am just as equally sympathetic to their plight. Tell me – why do the Jews escape discrimination ? Why are they so much more special than us?</p>
<p>Right. Asians and hispanics and, well, nonwhites in general. Now, let’s return to, “The socioeconomic development of the Asian American populace, and the return on their personal investments in their human capital.” </p>
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<p>Who said I support prejudice against your group? I just think you are grossly undervaluing asian american progress. You just decided to use my location as an angle to call me bigoted. And considering how much I hate my location, this really irks me.</p>
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<p>They “escaped discrimination” after centuries and centuries of enduring pogroms, discrimination, hardship, and a holocaust. Is “bad luck” a sort of specialness?</p>