<p>^I was about to say. These are the top of the top for crying out loud. If you say he got in only because of his race, you are jealous because they felt they did not need you. Did it play a role? Very likely so…</p>
<p>Inside Higher Ed: [Testing</a> for ‘Mismatch’](<a href=“http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2009/04/20/mismatch]Testing”>http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2009/04/20/mismatch):</p>
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<p>This.</p>
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<p>I think the “mismatch” study is interesting on many levels. The summary tables are particularly revealing. It seems like the Asian students outscore everybody not just on test scores and GPA as claimed here on CC, but on just about everything else. (The lone exception being “Personal qualities”, where white students outscore them 3.57 to 3.54).</p>
<p>It seems to me like new excuses are in order, don’t you? </p>
<p>What I don’t understand is why Duke is so honest about it. They could have easily refused to provide the data. What do they hope to gain from this?</p>
<p>Thanks, StitchInTime.</p>
<p>Asians have the highest scores in everything because of their culture…
for example, the Chinese have a 5000 year old culture based on education…education is one of the most, if not THE most, important part of their culture…intellectuals are worshiped, and education is looked highly upon. It is this kind of culture that has produced such ambitious, hard working people who have come to the U.S. and just dominated the academic field.</p>
<p>While on the other hand, other races, such as the black people, had been enslaved and transported to America directly from their primitive tribes in Africa…they did not have time to build such culture and traditions…they were imprisoned and enslaved for hundreds of years…there is bound to be differences in gene population and hence, intelligence between different groups of people (blacks, asians, whites, etc.) </p>
<p>However, college admissions should NOT consider race…there are too many confounding variables to this. Instead, it should be a full meritocracy, with entrance solely based on the application (scores, grades, essays, etc.)</p>
<p>If an outside characteristic were to be used…then socioeconomic status would be much more logical to use than “race”…</p>
<p>clearly a person of lower socioeconomic standing does not have as much money for resources, and thus, this can be used in college admissions…but the mere idea of even considering the race of a person is absolute rubbish</p>
<p>Hmm…</p>
<p>Main Entry:
eth·no·cen·tric Listen to the pronunciation of ethnocentric
Pronunciation:
ˌeth-nō-ˈsen-trik\
Function:
adjective
Date:
1900</p>
<p>: characterized by or based on the attitude that one’s own group is superior
— eth·no·cen·tric·i·ty Listen to the pronunciation of ethnocentricity -sen-ˈtri-sə-tē\ noun
— eth·no·cen·trism Listen to the pronunciation of ethnocentrism -ˈsen-ˌtri-zəm\ noun</p>
<p>Stop overshadowing the intelligent critics and take your racism somewhere else, please. (@tomjones, not Obstinate.)</p>
<p>Tom Jones: Were life that simple. </p>
<p>People are very complex. The idea that all Asians are the same and all do well academically because of things that occurred 5,000 years ago strikes me as absurd. Likewise, the notion that African Americans do not do as well because of slavery seems to be quite a stretch and over-simplistic. In my opinion, culture does have an impact, but cultures are very complex and ever-changing. I find it hard to believe that what occurred in the Qing Dynasty has anything to do with how I (an Asian) view life. </p>
<p>We Asians are very good at figuring out the system, and we are willing to work hard at mastering the minutia that is rewarded on standardized tests. However, have you ever noticed how few Asians win Nobel Peace prizes or do creative things? Have you also noticed how creative African Americans are? </p>
<p>My uncle (a white man) is a big-time lawyer in LA. His firm is the type of firm that law school students dream of joining. He told me just last week that his firm has hired more than 50 Asian lawyers from top law schools in the last decade, but only two have made it at his firm for longer than four years. When I asked him why this is true, he told me that in his opinion Asian lawyers his firm hired struggled with being lawyers because being a lawyer is not like memorizing the Periodic Tables or calculus theories – things we do well. Being a lawyer requires creativity, spontaneity, and other talents not measured by standardized tests. He also told me that his firm has hired 8 black lawyers in the same 10-year period and 7 remain at the firm. The toughness they endured as young people is paying dividends now. At least that’s what he thinks. </p>
<p>Affirmative action has a place in admissions. Although standardized tests may be great indicators of success at college, they are not great indicators of success in life.</p>
<p>Actually, Afro carribeans have the highest test scores of any ethnic group. Google it.</p>
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4 of the 9 Nobel Laureates of 2008 in sciences are asians or asian americans.</p>
<p>Attacking racial stereotypes with other racial stereotypes will only further racial divisions.</p>
<p>Edit: Sorry, I did not notice that you only consider winning Nobel Peace prize as being creative.</p>
<p>Does an Asian really have to work 10000x harder as someone White, Black, or Hispanic to get accepted to an elite college/university? That is just ridiculous. I definitely think race should not be considered in college admissions and rather socioeconomic status should be considered. Using race as a tool for college admissions is the same exact thing as stereotyping; through doing so, colleges are assuming that someone’s race MUST mean that they live like blahblahblah.</p>
<p>Actually, 5 of the 9 Nobel Laureates of 2008 in sciences are asians or asian americans.</p>
<p>"Actually, Afro carribeans have the highest test scores of any ethnic group. Google it. "</p>
<p>I tried, but without success. I’d be very interested in how someone studied this. Any suggestions for improving my google search?</p>
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<p>I was also unsuccessful in verifying this. I tried the following keyboard combinations:</p>
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<li>SAT scores highest caribbean</li>
<li>SAT scores highest afro-caribbean</li>
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<p>Tyler, please provide either a source or the appropriate keywords that will allow us to easily locate said source.</p>
<p>I’ll join in on the call for sources. Some of the smartest people I know are Afro-Caribbean, but I have no idea how representative they are of their compatriots.</p>
<p>Race plays no factor in a person’s ability to succeed. Socio-economics do, but there is no legitimate reason why race should give one person an advantage over another.</p>
<p>That in itself is racism</p>
<p>The sneak peek of the new 2009-2010 Common Application </p>
<p><a href=“https://www.commonapp.org/CommonApp/Docs/2009-10CommonApp_highlightedUpdates.pdf[/url]”>https://www.commonapp.org/CommonApp/Docs/2009-10CommonApp_highlightedUpdates.pdf</a> </p>
<p>shows one example of how college application forms will ask about student ethnicity in the next application cycle.</p>
<p>Hello all!
I am currently a high school Sophomore. I go to school in california. I plan on applying to pretty much all the UCs. I also want to apply to a few private colleges. I am of Asian Indian origin and I was born in India, I came here when I was two years old. Do Asian Indians count as a minority for college admissions? Do they have a higher chance of getting into a UC or a private college? </p>
<p>Thanks! If you send me your link, I will chance you to the best of my knowledge.</p>
<p>no, it works against you, even</p>
<p>wow, that sucks.
bump</p>