Interested maybe but they will never accept their teams getting slaughtered by Williams, MB, or Bowdoin. Athletics is a major part of the NESCAC. There are D3 schools where athletics not considered or minor:
- CalTech
- MIT
- Univ of Chicago
Again…how about applying without your ‘official’ name on applications (anglicizing them) and then during follow up going abck to your official name?
if a minority is afraid of acom bias
@OHMomof2 they might pay less at the non ivy D1 and they may not get a full ride at the Ivy but still get a huge break for need based aid…but let’s face it, need based is not always truly enough so I think the finances could be a part of it for anyone not just a URM…but I also think as an excellent football or basketball player, the name of the program is attractive. If I were a great football player I might be more inclined to play for Alabama than Yale. Or basketball I might rather play at UNC than Brown. So there are a lot of factors. But yes, I do think there might be a financial component to it.
^Actually, this year’s top football recruit decided to go to Princeton:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-a-top-college-football-prospect-chose-princeton-1501768158
"Brevin White could’ve chosen to play football at almost any college he wanted. The sought-after high school quarterback visited big-time schools from Arizona State to Tennessee, more than a dozen in total, and finally felt ready to make a decision.
That résumé made it altogether stunning when last week he announced his choice: Princeton.
“I want to have a roommate that’s smarter than me,” said White, who has his eye on careers in both the NFL and on Wall Street. “I want to be surrounded by those type of kids.”
…"
@ELopez1275 I wish that anonymity were allowed in common app and school report.
Well, if he wants to work on Wall Street, Princeton is much more of a target school for Wall Street recruiting than the others mentioned.
Berlin White is currently on an official visit at Alabama. Time will tell if he goes to P. If he really wants to play in the NFL he will probably change his mind. The top coaches are not in the Ivies.
I would suspect that a lot of top football recruits have their sights set on the NFL more so than Wall Street or a more traditional non-athletic career. Good for Brevin White for maybe giving the academic potential a little more thought than the athletic opportunities. Let’s see where he ends up.
Has anyone ever heard of this guy:
Onaje X.O. Woodbine
He was a recruited basketball player at Yale years ago who ended up quitting because he wanted to pursue his academics…today he teaches Philosophy (he went on to get his PhD) at Phillips Academy in New England.
I heard an interview with him on NPR last year or so and he basically said that when he told his coach and the school he would be quitting basketball after his sophomore year (they got two years out of him) how he was treated very poorly and they were very unsupportive of him, a black man from a very poor neighborhood, making this decision to try to actually do something productive with this incredible educational opportunity he had. I think it’s the basis for his book mentioned below.
He’s written at least one book (Black Gods of the Asphalt: Religion, Hip-Hop, and Street Basketball) and some articles…Here’s one he wrote last year after Yale made it to the NCAA tournament.
www.chronicle.com/article/Why-I-Quit-Yale-Basketball-at/235928
It would be a great thing if more recruited athletes saw the light and the value of the educational part of college. But I think the college sports arena has become so much of a business that these incredible athletes are often used for their athletic talent and not given enough academic encouragement or opportunity.
I think most recruited athletes at the elite colleges are students first and athletes second. They enjoy playing the sport and that sport helps them get into elite colleges they’d otherwise not be able to get into. I’m not too worried about them.
Some posts have a Wall St pipeline rep (Men’s lacrosse comes to mind, there’ve been many articles about that).
Top football recruits, period tend not to go to the Ivies or other elites, they usually go to the best football team schools which are mostly state flagships, though not exclusively (Notre Dame, USC) .
I enjoyed that article, @collegemomjam .
@OHMomof2 yes, I agree…I think we are saying the same thing. I also think the ones that end up at the Ivies probably wanted that kind of a school…where you quoted me, I also used the word “top” and agree, they will end up at the top program that recruits them. Glad you liked the article. He’s a very interesting person.
I know not race related but I’m waiting for the day when a school like MIT drops Football entirely due to the negative impact the sport has on the brain.
Sorry for reviving this thread, but what races are considered a URM? I am under the impression that it is African americans and Hispanics, although a lot of people have told me that African Americans are increasingly considered a larger URM than Hispanics. Any comments/disagreements? Or is this roughly accurate?
Those (and I think Hispanic is less of a bump than AA, yes) + Native American, Pacific Islander, and some countries in Asia (Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam).
Is it at all college specific? Meaning, there are colleges that might be academically similar, but for whatever reason one attracts different groups? Meaning that it might be easier to get in to one school over another if they that school is less popular with applicants from your racial group? I’ve often wondered this.
I’d guess yes @collegemomjam . LACs for instance, seem to get fewer Asian applicants and thus court them more, including flying them in for diversity weekends and that sort of thing.
@OHMomof2 thanks. I thought I noticed that happening with some schools. It’s good to know where you might have a hook and where you may not.
Depends on the college.
@ucbalumnus so it’s on the college’s website?
Not necessarily.
Also, note that some colleges may consider some groups to be URMs for various institutional research and marketing purposes, but not consider race/ethnicity in admissions at all.
I’d add that it’s not only racial groups who can be underrepresented and given a bump. A school with a brand new LAX team may give an extra nod to LAX players, a school with a new (or under-enrolled) major in something may favor students who say they plan to major in that (there was an article saying Stanford wanted more philosophy/social science majors and actively sought them out a few years back), and so on.
And of course, at schools that mainly attract applicants from their geographic region, coming from outside that region can also help.
But of course LAX team recruiting has nothing to do with race. Elite LAC also do not ever fly in “Asian” students. While this might be technically true it is very misleading. What has come to represent Asians when discussed in relation to elite admissions is Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, and Vietnamese. The aboriginal southeast Asians are an entirely different group of students that have very little to do with elite admissions.