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<p>Are you saying there is also Asian American privilege since Asian Americans are offered the jobs first?</p>
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<p>And how is that white privilege working out for whites in Calif. schools? Not too good. Asian Americans dominate many of the best Calif universities despite being from a lower population percentage. If such a thing as white privilege existed, Asian Americans would not be able to achieve such numbers in Calif. colleges. It turns out that hard work overrides everything. </p>
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<p>If this were true, you would expect URMs to overperform on standardized tests in verbal standardized tests with respect to what their humanities grades would predict, since grading in humanities is subjective and susceptible to corruption by bias whereas verbal standardized tests are not. Has this effect ever been found?</p>
<p>Not sure “white privilege” applies to this ASU case, since the participants are presumably being punished for their actions. I wonder if a Black (or other non-White) fraternity would likewise be punished if some members dressed in ways that mocked Whites. It would be an interesting experiment. </p>
<p>For heaven’s sake, the concept of white privilege is NOT a matter of affirmative action and college admissions. It pertains to life in general. </p>
<p>Yes it is life in general and the good old boys network is alive and well so yes, the Asian would NOT go first for the job especially since a good portion of employment opportunities are still controlled by white men. The white guy will be picked first for the job all other things equal. The women working for about 70% of the salary of men is another issue altogether.</p>
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<p>Do only White guys pick White guys first? Or does the rule apply to every race and both genders?</p>
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<p>Not necessarily. If grading and placement bias causes someone to get poor grades and be placed in lower level courses no matter how hard s/he tries and no matter how well s/he actually does from a neutral viewpoint, then the cumulative effect may be to discourage the student from trying very hard (even in lower level courses), the effects of which may later be visible in standardized testing.</p>
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<p>The fraternity flagrantly violated enough rules without consideration of any racially insulting actions (having a party while on probation that disallowed parties, alcohol violations) that any fraternity in the “all other things equal” situation would have gotten punished similarly.</p>
<p>Well you can try to pick your own race and gender, Bay, but the pickings are slim and this is where the feeder system (universities, and even community colleges and trade schools) come into play. I work in IT and it is stacked top to bottom with white men, I’ve been a hiring manager and out of 50 resumes for one position I might get two women and maybe 5 minorities (non white men combined). I haven’t ever gone with a lesser qualified minority or woman over a better qualified white guy but that’s because I’d be stuck with the lesser qualified person. We also have a number of people interviewing (at least three people) and then we collaborate immediately after the interview. have ended up with a diverse mix using this method.</p>
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So you’re saying that if a white guy picks a white guy, that’s white privilege at work, but if you pick the white guy, its because he is the best qualified? </p>
<p>I’m saying that all things equal a white guy will pick the white guy. I try to pick the most qualified (it’s usually also a white guy) but the bulk of our applicants are - wait for it - white guys even when a black person is doing the hiring. And this is just my little corner of the world. Most of the high level executives I support are white guys who hire white guys. I work with other white guys to pick the most qualified candidates. Even a black person who is a hiring manager might pick a lighter skinned black person over a darker one. I’d like to think I do try to pick the most qualified every time but I’d end up with no one if I needed to pick someone that looked like me since I don’t see any applicants that look like me. And these are for entry level IT positions that I have a tiny bit of control over. Tiny.</p>
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<p>Freakonomics has an entire chapter devoted to this.</p>
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<p>Many times placement is done by standardized tests. it was for me. </p>
<p>These are all hypotheticals being thrown out by you. A few years ago a newspaper article came out about several people who got into Harvard from an underpriveleged high school. The article described them as having “perfect” SAT scores. Not “near perfect”; they were described as “perfect.” What were these “perfect” SAT scores? Around 1800 out of total of 2400. </p>
<p>Now since we all agree that there is a huge bias in favor of whites, I suppose that if the person were white then they could get an SAT score of 1500/2400 and have it be considered perfect, right?</p>
<p>“Chris Rock’s joke; ‘No one white in this audience would trade places with me…AND I’M RICH!!!’”</p>
<p>He also does a bit about being rich vs wealthy. Oprah is rich, Bill Gates is wealthy. If Bill Gates woke up tomorrow with Oprah’s money, he’d jump out a window and slit his throat on the way down saying, “I can’t even put gas in my plane!”</p>
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<p>When I was in K-12, placement in advanced, regular, or remedial courses was by teacher recommendation or opinion.</p>
<p>My D wasn’t initially placed in GT because it was by teacher recommendation (as a transfer student, D wasn’t one of the teacher’s favorites). Only when the teacher and principal saw by the standardized tests that D was the 99%tile, they asked her to join GT. She begged to be let out of the program shortly afterwards because the teacher was awful, unqualified and always made all the students cry (literally). The teacher was counseled by the principal and switched schools to become another school’s problem (wrong field). </p>
<p>Freakonomics has some very interesting chapters and More Freakonomics has even more. To my surprise, profiling and prejudice is alive and well, even in CA, where I thought people were more enlightened but we’ve had some pretty bad experiences this vacation (validated by some friends we’ve discussed the issue with). It’s fascinating to me, but pretty sad because I don’t tend to see it as much in my social circle back home. I’m surprised it is so blatant in the tourist area we’re visiting–Old Town Pasadena. Have never noticed it before this trip.</p>
<p>The profiling I’ve been witnessing is vs. asians, not blacks, but it is pretty blatant, which surprises me.</p>
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<p>What were the examples you experienced?</p>
<p>Facing only the token asian employees serve the Asian customers or clients, Asians not being seated in the order of arrival but way after all others when the others are black or white, at several different departments and stores! Very surprising to me because this is not how Asians in HI are treated. </p>