<p>The Executive Committee of the SUNY Student Assembly -- meeting this week in Syracuse -- has come out in support of regular, modest tuition hikes to help the SUNY system maintain its core mission in what is looking like a multi-year recession in New York State. The story is here:</p>
<p>Oh great, now my instate options might just be better. This is the way other Us. have gone, and for OOS students, IMO, they have out priced themselves. I guess enough who disagree are paying in the 30k per year range for Penn State, UConn., UMD etc. SUNYs are not there yet, but in 5 years they might be there too.</p>
<p>We were a bit jealous of all the NJ families on our SUNY tours bragging that SUNY is cheaper for them than Rutgers...</p>
<p>Muffy, that might have been the case a few years ago, but it is not the case today. Some of the sunys are now getting 25k for out of state. I am not including scholarships that might be awarded. Frankly, I was looking at Oneonta and dropped the idea, bc scholarships are not high for the average Oneonta student. OOS runs close enough to 25k and my kid could go instate for 20k. Why go to a SUNY when a Jersey kid has Rutgers, TCNJ, Montclair, Rowan, etc. for 20k instate? JMO, although there are some kids that have enjoyed Bing and Albany. I know a Jersey kid who spent one year at Bing and transferred to Rutgers after one year, bc Rutgers cost her family less money.</p>
<p>Oh, good, I was afraid the NJ people were getting too much of a deal! But $25,000 OOS is much less than OOS at UConn, Penn, URI ($35,000) or Vermont ($40,000). If you overlook that low tuition at SUNY = low faculty salaries, fewer classes, etc.</p>
<p>Muffy, you are right, although I know some kids who have gotten substantial money from URI with the right stats. I have been told that one student from our HS got a full ride at URI, but he could have gone anywhere with his stats. If one looks further south though, the SUNYs are priced fairly similarly (ie: FLA, and NC). The problem is that a lot of kids who don't ski would rather be in sunny FLA, IMO, than rural NY. NY, I think would like more OOS students because they really do not get too many takers. They are not going to increase their appeal to OOS by hiking their tuition, which puts the the SUNYs in a bind. The perfect example is our family. I have already have it in my head that I will cross off any SUNYs that are charging close to 25k and are not offering considerable money to a solid student to discount that. It makes sense to me. I can always send my kid to Rutgers or one our smaller Jersey schools for 5k less, before any scholarships come into play.</p>
<p>NEMom -- The comprehensive fee (tuition, fees, room & board) at the SUNYs is closer to $19,000 -- $22,000 than 25K. Are you including books, transport and personal expenses in that figure? Out of State tuition is $10,610 per year, which is not bad. </p>
<p>I think one of the problems is that all SUNYs charge the same tuition (in or OOS), whether it is Binghamton or Morrisville. I'd like to think that the major university centers and "elite" colleges like Geneseo would have the superior human and physical resources that would merit a higher tuition charge than the second and third tier SUNYs.</p>
<p>I looked on the Albany website, it does look like it is only $25,000 OOS if you throw in the books, transport and personal and $22,000 for only tuition, fees, room and board. So not a big difference from Rutgers in-state?</p>
<p>I've noticed that most other states charge a lot for the flagship and a lot less for the regional state colleges; I guess that's an advantage in NY that all cost the same if you can get into the more competitive colleges.</p>
<p>But conditions must be awful if the poor kids want tuition raised. I heard it is hard to graduate in 4 years b/c of course cuts; that negates low tuition.</p>
<p>I'm about 95% sure that I'll be attending a SUNY school(hopefully Stony Brook) and I'd be completely happy paying a somewhat higher tuition. I say that because it's already signifigantly lower than private school but essentially the same education. Also,with these large budget cuts, it's certainly necessary...</p>
<p>Just checked and Rutgers instate is now 21,500, BUT at least 86% get merit or financial aid. The 21,500 includes tuition, R&B and around 2400 in "fees". What those fees are, I do not know. It did not show, for example, if that includes health care (you might be able to take that off, if you can prove that the student has major medical). 2400 in fees is very steep. I can tell you that my friend was paying a lot less at Rutgers for her D than she spent the year before at Bing (which is why she made her transfer out). I do not know the exact dollar difference, but it was enough to make her D transfer despite losing credits (Rutgers did not accept everything from her year at Bing).</p>
<p>Hudsonvalley, it does seem that some schools are a bit less in cost than others. I have not looked closely enough, so I could be off. It seems, for example, that Oswego is less expensive than Oneonta and NP, especially if awarded their merit scholarship.</p>
<p>Some of the SUNYS have added $1800 in fees to the very reasonable tuition. We are now up to close to $19000 now for instate. THere is a $6260 out of state fee which brings the cost to close to $25K for out of state. Many of the other OOS are well in excess of $30K. Actually for that, you can commute and go to a local private university for just a bit more. I know that is why Fordham is such a great deal. $26K if you commute, less than most OOS publics.</p>
<p>actually, cptofthehouse, in state's a bit cheaper than that at most schools. Currently, it's a bit lower than 15000</p>
<p>Here are Oswego's costs for instate and out of state:
Annual expenses for students entering fall 2008*
(Semester charges are half the annual cost)</p>
<p>Undergraduate tuition (New York State residents) $4,350**
Room (double) & Board (comprehensive plan).... $10,170***
Additional Residential Charges (ResNet, laundry) $218
Fixed Fees..................................................... $1,131
Total Fixed Cost ............................................. $15,869</p>
<p><em>Expenses reflect 2008-2009 charges. All rates are subject to change for future years.
</em>$10,610 annual tuition charge for non-New York State Residents.
** Students entering prior to 2008-2009 will have lower room and board rates as a result of the Oswego Guarantee. Upperclass students have other meal plan options.</p>
<p>According this figure, including fees you pay just under 16k. Out of state students pay about 6400 more, unless they are awarded a scholarship for out of state residential students. </p>
<p>I would never consider an OOS public U like UConn, Penn State, UVM, because the cost is too high for typical out of state students. I could see considering these schools if my efc were over 30k and I had more than one child. Even with an efc over 30k and one child to educate, I would then seek a private college/university.</p>
<p>SUNY Oneonta for OOS is $21,000/yr. They do give out merit scholarships--one of them is for $4,000/yr renewable. It makes sense that their merit scholarship amounts wouldn't be much more than that because the $21,000 price tag is relatively inexpensive. UVM is close to $40,000/yr for OOS and they only give out $3,000 merit scholarships. Rutger's is $32,000 for OOS. I personally think that SUNY's should increase their OOS tuition to offset the decline in funding this year by the state. It's about time they increase their OOS tuition to be more in line with other northeastern colleges.</p>
<p>I agree nysmile. As an in-stater, I think it's incredibly unfair for the OOS tuition to be so low.</p>
<p>Oswego is about $22,500/yr for OOS but you can deduct about $500 per year if your child is covered by a health insurance plan. If you can't prove that they are covered by a health insurance plan, then they have to pay $250/semester for Health Insurance from the school.
This is still a great deal for OOS. If the student qualifies for a merit scholarship, it's an even better deal.</p>
<p>The University of Florida is over $33,000/yr for OOS students. It's 1/2 that price for Florida residents.</p>
<p>The University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill is $34,000/yr for OOS students.</p>
<p>So, relatively speaking, the SUNY's are a bargain for OOS students.</p>
<p>nysmile, I do see it as a good deal as long as they love snow! I stand corrected about Oneonta, I remember looking at their scholarships and I guess I ignored the 4k one bc it is for instate and perhaps out of state students (they do not state specifically). Oswego specifically tells you what to expect with specific stats if applying from OOS. I do think that for the right student this could be a good deal. If one cannot graduate on time bc of a lack of classes, then perhaps the deal is not so good.</p>
<p>I've never heard any of the local kids that attend SUNY's complain about not getting into a class. Actually, my son is more than one semester ahead and if he wanted to, could complete his Bachelor's in three years rather than 4. In addition, they offer online classes during the 6 week winter break and summer. Combine that with the very generous AP credit policy and it's not difficult at all to finish early if that's what the student wants to do. </p>
<p>My S has never been shut out of a class at his SUNY. They offer plenty of sections for each class.</p>
<p>If weather is a priority, then SUNY's may not be a good option. For most kids though, they grin and bear it. The 6 week winter break allows them time to defrost.</p>
<p>nysmile, UNC-CH is nearly impossible to get into from OOS. There is high demand to go there, but UNCs limit their enrollment to certain % (maybe 18%, do not recall exactly). As far as I know you cannot compare UNC-CH to any SUNY, but I will let those who are familiar with both debate that one. Many of the other UNCs are reasonably priced for OOS. Tuition, R&B at UNC-Wilmington is about 21,900 for out of state students. Florida State is about 26,600 for tuition and R&B. These are sticker prices. I have not researched these schools for scholarships. There could be less expensive schools in FLA too. I have not looked. I would not look at public Us in FLA just bc in my mind my money is paying in part for all of those bright futures scholarships.</p>
<p>Editing this bc I cross posted with nysmile:</p>
<p>Perhaps I misinterpreted this by Muffy in thinking that one might not graduate in 4 years, but I am unsure whether she was referring to a SUNY or to Rutgers:</p>
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I looked on the Albany website, it does look like it is only $25,000 OOS if you throw in the books, transport and personal and $22,000 for only tuition, fees, room and board. So not a big difference from Rutgers in-state?</p>
<p>I've noticed that most other states charge a lot for the flagship and a lot less for the regional state colleges; I guess that's an advantage in NY that all cost the same if you can get into the more competitive colleges.</p>
<p>But conditions must be awful if the poor kids want tuition raised. I heard it is hard to graduate in 4 years b/c of course cuts; that negates low tuition.
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