<p>If you say that "you applied took you a chance" , and the fact that getting those scores dont help me to have better chance than 80% who accepted to LA in that major, I have to say it's all random.</p>
<p>IF you really need to believe its random to move on then so be it but the truth of the matter is that there is an essay component that is subjective and is what may be causing it to appear random to you</p>
<p>Ok, it sounds good to me.
Suppose my essays are not so good( I believe strongly that they ain't bad), remember I'm not native English speaker.
Suppose I'm bad in English, it doesn't have much to do with my major. And when it will, I believe my English will be good enough ( I'm not bad at Social Science, not at all).</p>
<p>I'm done with UCLA, It's no use saying anything.
Just a little lasting upset, since I've always been so succesful so far.</p>
<p>one can't always succeed until he/she fails first</p>
<p>well.....you can't always be successful all the time. Too much pride always leads to failure as in your case!!!!</p>
<p>what was the point of the last two posts.I thought the issue was over I understand there was venting going on and thats fine.</p>
<p>has anyone ever seen a fight where a person gets beat, theres always someone who goes and kicks the beaten person while hes down once the fight is over. well thats what happened in the last 2 posts</p>
<p>2bad4u: Stop being an ass man; let him bicker, it's human nature.</p>
<p>twitb: You can't beat subjectiveness; it doesn't apply logic.</p>
<p>well ucla is looking for "people"... not "bookworms"... they want their students to be invovled</p>
<p>2bad4u: what an attitude .
thank u trump</p>
<p>You need to know English despite the fact that you're a non-English major; if you attend an American school, you are expected to write English to a standard comparable to other students, regardless of your background. Even if you are an international student, it is your obligation to learn the language well enough so that you can communicate your ideas effectively in an essay. That expectation applies for prospective American students looking to study abroad; it is an obligation to learn the host countries language; the excuse that you're a non-native speaker and hence the apparent failure is pathetic and poor. </p>
<p>If I chose to attend the Institut d'Etudes Politiques de Paris, I must learn the language even if I have the background in politics or I'm decent in the social sciences. I still must communicate my ideas to my professors who speak and read French. It's as simple as that.</p>
<p>"the excuse that you're a non-native speaker and hence the apparent failure is pathetic and poor. "
"apparent failure", "pathetic", these words do hurt.
"Institut d'Etudes Politiques de Paris" Did I ever say I wanted to major in Politics ?</p>
<p>"to a standard comparable to other students"
See that I got 610 in verbal and 610 in writing, after 1 year living in US( when I took the test) ? Isn't that good enough ? And when they go with many prominent,impressive science scores?
Out of my arrogance, I feel that anyone whose mother language is English that can not get more than 750 doesn't worth my attention.
What do you have ?</p>
<p>lol i was born and grew up in california. my verbal was "only" 700 i still got into ucla</p>
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<p>That was an example; political science, a field in the social sciences, is something I hope to pursue. I contemplated attending Institut d'Etudes Politiques de Paris for a semester or so; however, I wanted to ensure that I knew French well enough so that I could compose essays in French that would communicate my ideas to my professor. I may have a knack for politics, but communicating them is different.</p>
<p>The point of using that example was to point out that Americans should not be exempt from learning host country's language; just as American universities have an expectation of international students, it is necessary to realize that international institutions have that same expectation of American students to know their language.</p>
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<p>Harsh words, true. </p>
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<p>That is impressive. However, unlike the Writing test which requires a 20 minute essay, the UC essays give you the option of taking as long as you need (before Nov. 30 of course) to write your essay. They did not ask you to quickly compose an essay answering those questions; instead, you had the opportunity to have others read it and correct it if necessary.</p>
<p>Even students with English as their mother language should have others proof read for grammar. English grammar can be incredibly difficult at times.</p>
<p>As for science scores, they are impressive. But, the ability to communciate these ideas is important as well; hence, it is necessary for you further improve your writing. Being a science major doesn't exempt you from the fact that you need to write reports and papers. Having all the knowledge in the world but not being able to communicate them effectively is useless.</p>
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What do you have ?
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<p>Then obviously I'm not worth your attention. I didn't get a 750 score, but a 700. My score for the actual portion of the writing was 11/12 (3 reviewers grade your essay with 4 being the highest).</p>
<p>On the Advanced Placement English Language and Composition exam, I earned a 5 (out of a possibility of 5). AP Eng Lang/Comp asks that students compose 3 essays, 40 minutes for each essay. These essays ask students to anaylze prose, compose a argumentative essay, etc. There is a multiple choice portion of the exam testing connotations of vocabulary, diction, rhetoric, etc.</p>
<p>Sure, I may not have a great SAT II writing score above your so-called and arbitrary standards for native-English students (but standards in general are arbitrary), but when confronted with a test that actually requires writing analytically, I am able to do so.</p>
<p>Even today I still work on writing; I need to. It is beyond necessary.
I should note that English is not my native language either; it was difficult to learn when I came here as well and I certainly sympathize with your experience. English is incredibly complex; a hodge podge of different origins. Nonetheless, it is still necessary to have a strong command of English.</p>
<p>I agree with eiffelguy. English is also not my native language as well. It took me about 2 years to learn English efficently so that I can communicate with others. But, like everyone says, you can't excuse English and expect to go to an American University. Also, from what I heard, I think the UC's require there incoming students to take a Placement Exam in English.</p>
<p>Whoa, lol. This totally turned into something cuhrazy. I'm not sad about it and I'm not an elitist. I just want everyone to see that the process is extremely subjective and not to worry about a personal insufficiency.</p>
<p>Good luck guys with the rest of admissions decisions!</p>
<p>Yes, there is an exam in English required for all students. The UC Analytical Writing Requirement exists.</p>
<p>You are exempt if you earned a 3, 4, or 5 on the Eng Lang/Comp or Eng Lit/Comp, earned a 680 on the Writing on SAT II, took a Freshmen Eng Comp class at a college and is transferable, or earned a 5 or higher on IB English Lang.</p>
<p>eiffelguy87: Oh, "example", what a nice one !!!
If u want to major in Social Science, U have to master the language, thats the obligation. My major doesn't have much to do with the language. And u still use that to express your idea. Didn't you learn that examples used must be proper and objective to be persuaded.
Furthermore,ain't they trying to symbolize everything? I'm not bad at that.
And I'm not that inarticulate.
My point is, I have so many good parts(those mentioned+poor+first child going to college), but still rejected. My lack of EC's can be forgiven since noone in my case can do anything( unless they are too possessed with the EC's. I'm myself an active person, I think I expressed in in the essays.</p>
<p>Y am I involved in this ? UCLA is never my first choice. Y ?</p>
<p>I meant "persuasive"</p>