Rank Ivies If you were gaurenteed acceptance.....

<ol>
<li>Princeton</li>
<li>Yale</li>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>Penn</li>
<li>Columbia</li>
<li>Brown</li>
<li>Dartmouth</li>
<li>Cornell</li>
</ol>

<p>Probably an honest difference in definition of "student". IPEDS uses standard definitions, so it is useful for comparing universities. Since it is a free country, universities are welcome to use any definition they want internally, but the reports to nces are consistent across schools.</p>

<p>Harvard's numbers are puzzling. Harvard usually says it has ~6600 undergrads. IPEDS says 1642 full time first time students, 1797 bachelors degrees awarded (whee did the extra 150 people/year come from) and an undergrad enrollment of 9,519, way more than Harvard says. So I assume this includes part time, extension, etc students.</p>

<p>The extra 150 are most likely external transfers that get added on after freshman year. Wharton comes in with 500ish and graduates 650ish.</p>

<p>That would explain 150 more degrees than entered as freshlings, but it should show up in the total number of students. But their reported undergrad total is approximately 4 x frosh class, not frosh class plus 3 x(frosh +150). Hardly important, but it does caution about mixing data sources for comparison. Anyway you look at it, it is a big university, with far more "other" students than regular 4-year undergrads. If you want Ivy, and small, cross off H, C, C, Penn.</p>

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<p>Havard College only takes 50-70 transfers per year, and 20-30 members of each entering class fail to graduate, so the class does not grow by more than 50 students after freshman year. I suspect that the different numbers from different sources reflect the fact that some sources are only counting full-time students. In all likelihood, the reason for the discrepancy is that one source is counting ALB degrees granted by the extension school as well as AB's out of Harvard College as "bachelor's degrees," and the other source is looking at the enrollment of Harvard College. Counting ALB's as well as AB's would get you about a hundred extra degrees per year.</p>

<p>1.Yale
2.Columbia
3.Penn
4.Brown
5.Cornell
6.Harvard
7.Princeton
8.Dartmouth</p>

<p>Out of curiousity, has anyone calculated the current averages?</p>

<p>when I was applying, I was interested in</p>

<ol>
<li>Brown</li>
<li>Yale</li>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>Dartmouth</li>
<li>Princeton</li>
<li>Columbia</li>
<li>Cornell</li>
<li>Penn</li>
</ol>

<p>Average
3.16 - Princeton
3.84 - Yale
4.30 - Harvard
4.77 - Dartmouth
4.79 - Brown
4.80 - Penn
4.94 - Columbia
5.19 - Cornell</p>

<p>No. of times Ranked #1 OR #2:
38 - Princeton
25 - Yale
23 - Dartmouth
21 - Harvard
15 - Brown
14 - Cornell
14 - Columbia
13 - Penn</p>

<p>No. of times Ranked #7 OR #8:
07 - Princeton
07 - Yale
17 - Harvard
19 - Brown
22 - Penn
23 - Columbia
28 - Dartmouth
36 - Cornell</p>

<p><a href="http://www.studentsreview.com/2005_NYD_rankings/top_ivy_official.php3%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.studentsreview.com/2005_NYD_rankings/top_ivy_official.php3&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Check out some of the other surveys. Dartmouth #1 top ivy, #1 of top 50, #1 best all-around education, # 1 in "factors that matter to students." This site is maintained by MIT grad students.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.studentsreview.com/2005_NYD_rankings/top_ivy_official.php3%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.studentsreview.com/2005_NYD_rankings/top_ivy_official.php3&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Sorry, wrong site. Try this one:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.studentsreview.com/official_rankings.php3%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.studentsreview.com/official_rankings.php3&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>hmmm....</p>

<p>1 - Princeton
2 - Cornell
3 - Harvard
4 - Yale
5 - Penn
6 - Dartmouth
7 - Columbia
8 - Brown</p>

<p>Here would be my ranking</p>

<ol>
<li>Dartmouth: I think I would like the close-knitness of the place. I wouldn't mind the isolation since it would only be temporary.</li>
<li>Cornell: I think I would like being in Ithica. They have decent Language and Linguistics programs.</li>
<li>Penn: I know they are good with Romance alnguages and I think I would like Philly. Plus, I like their colors.</li>
<li>Yale: I love the architecture of this place! Plus I love that cute little bulldog thingy.</li>
<li>Harvard: I think I'd love living in the Boston area and the Harvard name don't hurt either. I like their colors too.</li>
<li> Princeton: Never really had an attraction to Princeton...I don't think I'd like being in Jersey.</li>
<li>Columbia: I don't want to be in NYC.</li>
<li>Brown: I know I would loath it there. The one thing I like about them is the freedom to choose what you want to study without having to fulfill a bunch of "general ed" or "distribution" requirements....man I hate those!</li>
</ol>

<p>1 Dartmouth
2 Princeton
3 Cornell
4 Yale
5 Brown
6 Harvard
7 Columbia
8 Penn</p>

<p>Not everyone is or should be basing their decision off of perceived prestige.</p>

<p>1.Yale
2.Princeton
3.Penn
4.Brown
5.Harvard
6.Columbia
7.Dartmouth
8.Cornell</p>

<ol>
<li>Brown</li>
<li>Princeton</li>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>Cornell</li>
<li>Dartmouth</li>
<li>Yale</li>
<li>Columbia</li>
<li>Penn</li>
</ol>

<p>There we go. It turns out that only 2 of the ivy league really interest me in my major.</p>

<ol>
<li>Princeton</li>
<li>Yale</li>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>UPenn</li>
<li>Cornell</li>
<li>Brown</li>
<li>Dartmouth</li>
<li>Columbia</li>
</ol>

<p>LOL, we brought back these threads? </p>

<p>After now having been to all of the Ivies for one reason or the other (i.e. Cornell was a side stop on the way to the Ithaca Zen Center :)) I havve rally a new/confirmed perspective on all of them:</p>

<ol>
<li>Cornell</li>
<li>Brown/Princeton (though if I hear another Princeton student/admissions officer take a stab at Stanford, it will rank #181. on my list next to UMassAmherst)</li>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>Yale</li>
<li>Columbia</li>
<li>Dartmouth</li>
<li>Penn</li>
</ol>

<ol>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>Yale</li>
<li>Princeton</li>
<li>Columbia</li>
<li>UPenn</li>
<li>Brown</li>
<li>Dartmouth</li>
<li>Cornell</li>
</ol>