<p>Oh, we're gonna win it this year. Watch and see. :)</p>
<p>Perhaps you've heard of a team based out of Southern California? Or one out of Ohio? Or one out of Michigan?</p>
<p>BTW, I'm not even sure Florida can get past Bama.</p>
<p>I know my college football, no need to ask me questions like that. ;) </p>
<p>Listen, we have a great chance this year. Chris Leak is on fire, our defense is one of the best in the nation, we can work on our running game, but we have an excellent team. </p>
<p>Please, Bama is good, but they are not going to repeat last year.</p>
<p>"Indiana #97? I don't believe IU has an engineering program."</p>
<p>While I've never bought into USNews' highly unscientific popularity contest masquerading as rankings, I find it unbelievable they'd actually rank Indiana in an engineering category when anyone with a clue about major universities knows IU has never had an engineering program -- at least in the modern era -- for well over a century flagship public engineering in Indiana has been completely centered at the state's land grant university: Purdue... Tell me you're mistaking and USNews didn't completely blow any shred of it's academic credibility by ranking a program that doesnt even exist ...</p>
<p>BTW, who ever listed Michigan and Northwestern as the top 2 engineering schools is strictly 'rating' such schools based on popularity and admissions -- While UM is up there, Northwestern, by most credible estimates, ranks below Purdue, UIUC and perhaps Wisconsin and maybe even MSU in engineering. NU's top strengths are business, music, Journalism, speech, theater, law and the like, not engineering.</p>
<p>Oh and FYI, just so you know.</p>
<p>PAC 10 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> BIG TEN</p>
<p>Some posters in this thread really show how UNHELPFUL this website can be! People who are putting Northwestern above Illinois engineering... do some research.</p>
<ol>
<li>Illinois</li>
<li>Michigan</li>
<li>Wisconsin/Purdue</li>
<li>PSU</li>
</ol>
<p>i agree that illinois is # 1 for engineering but not for undergrad (overall).</p>
<p>"Quote:
1. Michigan & Northwestern</p>
<ol>
<li><p>Wisconsin
Illinois
Penn State</p></li>
<li><p>Indiana
Iowa
Minnesota
Ohio State
Purdue
Michigan State </p></li>
</ol>
<p>Dude. Please tell me that was a joke"</p>
<p>that was the ranking for undergrad(overall) from US news and weekly NOT for engineering.</p>
<p>the below rankings someone typed makes sense for me: (for engineering)
1. Illinois
2. Michigan
3. Wisconsin/Purdue
4. PSU</p>
<p>Michigan undergrad and grad rankings by department</p>
<p>I feel like Im getting the same education when I went to Towson U(undergrad) to Virginia Tech(undergrad) then too Columbia U(graduate). All teachers basically teach the same way. I felt like my professors from Towson were no worst in teaching than Columbia. BUT the difference comes in competitiveness. Plus the reputation can only help you in finding a job. Also, bigger engineering schools tend to have more research programs running. At Virginia Tech there were so many different focus areas compared to Columbia. Columbia lacks space, so most of their research are on the smaller scale.</p>
<p>I agree exactly with VTjas above. I've gone to a 2nd tier engg school for undergrad, Purdue for grad school (EE); now working at Intel.</p>
<p>Based on my experience, if you restrict yourself to engineering, the general echelons can be described as follows:</p>
<p>1) Michigan, UIUC (Believe me, for most eng'g majors, whether you go into industry or academia, no one will differentiate between these 2, no matter what the rankings actually say).</p>
<p>2) Purdue, Wisconsin</p>
<p>3) PSU, Minnesota, Northwestern(which is somewhat boosted by its excellent non-eng'g rep)</p>
<p>4) everyone else</p>
<p>You certainly shouldnt put complete faith in the rankings, but do remember that employers/Grad school will certainly at least take it into consideration. While there might not be much of a distinction for eng'g schools in the top 15-20 or so, these people will certainly recognize a difference between these schools and the top 50-60 school. </p>
<p>While I tend to agree that the teaching quality isn't much different between most schools, the quality of the recruitment scene is very much in line with rankings. It's not completely fair, but top companies tend to gravitate towards top schools.</p>
<p>It's no suprise that at work, I see armies of engineers hailing from schools like Michigan and Illinois, and very few if any from big10 schools from the (4) category above.</p>
<p>hey,</p>
<p>PSU isn't good in eng. because of non-eng. reputation.....</p>
<p>that school is in top 20 for grad and undergrad in ranks. (in eng.)</p>
<p>can anyone post the complete undergrad rankings for general engineering please?</p>
<p>
[quote]
hey,</p>
<p>PSU isn't good in eng. because of non-eng. reputation.....</p>
<p>that school is in top 20 for grad and undergrad in ranks. (in eng.)
[/quote]
</p>
<p>He was referring to Northwestern.</p>
<p>"can anyone post the complete undergrad rankings for general engineering please?"</p>
<p>here ...i got this one, its undergraduate </p>
<p>Rank/School Peer
assessment
score
(5.0 = highest)
1 Massachusetts Inst. of Technology 4.9
2 Stanford University (CA) 4.7
University of CaliforniaBerkeley * 4.7
4 California Institute of Technology 4.5
U. of IllinoisUrbana-Champaign * 4.5
6 Georgia Institute of Technology * 4.4
University of MichiganAnn Arbor * 4.4
8 Carnegie Mellon University (PA) 4.3
Cornell University (NY) 4.3
Purdue Univ.West Lafayette (IN)* 4.3
11 University of TexasAustin * 4.2
12 Princeton University (NJ) 4.1
Univ. of WisconsinMadison * 4.1
14 Johns Hopkins University (MD) 3.9
Northwestern University (IL) 3.9
Texas A&M Univ.College Station * 3.9
Virginia Tech * 3.9
18 Pennsylvania State U.University Park * 3.8
Rensselaer Polytechnic Inst. (NY) 3.8
Rice University (TX) 3.8
Univ. of MinnesotaTwin Cities * 3.8
22 Duke University (NC) 3.7
Univ. of CaliforniaLos Angeles * 3.7
Univ. of CaliforniaSan Diego * 3.7
Univ. of MarylandCollege Park * 3.7
University of Washington * 3.7
27 Columbia University (NY) 3.6
Ohio State UniversityColumbus * 3.6
University of CaliforniaDavis * 3.6
University of Pennsylvania 3.6
31 Harvard University (MA) 3.5
North Carolina State U.Raleigh * 3.5
University of Florida * 3.5
Univ. of Southern California 3.5
University of Virginia * 3.5
36 Brown University (RI) 3.4
Case Western Reserve Univ. (OH) 3.4
Iowa State University * 3.4
Univ. of CaliforniaSanta Barbara * 3.4
University of ColoradoBoulder * 3.4
41 Arizona State University * 3.3
Dartmouth College (NH) 3.3
Lehigh University (PA) 3.3
Michigan State University * 3.3
University of Notre Dame (IN) 3.3
Vanderbilt University (TN) 3.3
Washington University in St. Louis 3.3
Yale University (CT) 3.3
49 University of Arizona * 3.2
University of CaliforniaIrvine * 3.2
51 Colorado School of Mines * 3.1
RutgersNew Brunswick (NJ)* 3.1
University of Delaware * 3.1
University of Iowa * 3.1
University of MissouriRolla * 3.1
Worcester Polytechnic Inst. (MA) 3.1
57 Clemson University (SC)* 3
Colorado State University * 3
Drexel University (PA) 3
Illinois Institute of Technology 3
Michigan Technological University * 3
Rochester Inst. of Technology (NY) 3
University at BuffaloSUNY * 3
Univ. of MassachusettsAmherst * 3
University of Pittsburgh * 3
University of Utah * 3
67 Auburn University (AL)* 2.9
Boston University 2.9
Northeastern University (MA) 2.9
Polytechnic University (NY) 2.9
SUNYStony Brook * 2.9
Syracuse University (NY) 2.9
Tufts University (MA) 2.9
University of IllinoisChicago * 2.9
University of Tennessee * 2.9
Washington State University * 2.9
77 Brigham Young Univ.Provo (UT) 2.8
Clarkson University (NY) 2.8
Kansas State University * 2.8
Oregon State University * 2.8
Tulane University (LA) 2.8
University of Connecticut * 2.8
University of Houston * 2.8
University of Kansas * 2.8
U. of North CarolinaCharlotte * 2.8
University of Rochester (NY) 2.8
87 New Jersey Inst. of Technology * 2.7
Oklahoma State University * 2.7
Southern Methodist University (TX) 2.7
Stevens Institute of Technology (NJ) 2.7
Texas Tech University * 2.7
Univ. of CaliforniaRiverside * 2.7
University of Cincinnati * 2.7
Univ. of MissouriColumbia * 2.7
University of New Mexico * 2.7
University of Oklahoma * 2.7
97 CUNYCity College * 2.6
Louisiana State U.Baton Rouge * 2.6
Univ. of CaliforniaSanta Cruz * 2.6
University of Kentucky * 2.6
Univ. of NebraskaLincoln * 2.6
102 George Washington University (DC) 2.5
Marquette University (WI) 2.5
New Mexico State University * 2.5
Ohio University * 2.5
San Diego State University * 2.5
SUNYBinghamton * 2.5
University of Alabama * 2.5
University of Miami (FL) 2.5
University of Rhode Island * 2.5
Univ. of South CarolinaColumbia * 2.5
University of TexasArlington * 2.5
Univ. of WisconsinMilwaukee * 2.5
Utah State University * 2.5
Wayne State University (MI)* 2.5
West Virginia University * 2.5
* denotes a public school.</p>
<p>Just keep in mind that your:</p>
<p>1) Interviewing skills
2) School's accessibility to corporations recruiting
3) Knowledge of practical skills that bring added value to a company</p>
<p>...all figures in to your place in the job market.</p>
<p>Plenty of engineers from the Michigans, Illinois and Purdues are reporting to and/or are being led by engineers from the East Carolinas, Tulanes and the Nevadas of the world.</p>
<p>I have seen it.</p>
<p>Michigan far "out-ranks" Michigan State in engineering programs...but Michigan does not have as large a "placement services" machine as Michigan State.</p>
<p>1) Interviewing skills
2) School's accessibility to corporations recruiting
3) Knowledge of practical skills that bring added value to a company</p>
<h1>2 is based on the school, i'm pretty sure that was taken into account for rankings.</h1>
<h1>1 and #3 are only based on you, so if your good @ what you do then you succed there, i guess.</h1>
<p>Tom725,</p>
<p>I posted that because (looking at your profile) I used to work in the Philly area. My employer at the time was doing to I.T. consulting for Cigna Insurance and Syracuse had the summer internships locked up there. Cigna must have had some success with the Syracuse interns/grads and they were there in drones.</p>
<p>wow tom725 thanks for that list... is their a ranked Chemical Engineering list?? if their is and you post it, i'll love you ;)</p>
<p>i'm also looking for Chem E because i'm majoring in it.
(well i'm just a fresh, i have to go through the entrance of major process after the 4th semester.)</p>