<p>The Newsweek Global University Ranking has Harvard and Yale in the top three, right above Oxford and Cambridge.</p>
<p>Princeton is #14, I believe, and Brown isn't even in the top 50.</p>
<p>Of course, I would still argue that, for undergrad quality of education, Princeton, Yale and Caltech are the top 3 schools in the country.</p>
<p>posterX, there are some serious issues with your ranking. There is no huge gap between Yale and HP... Also, the rest of your ranking seems questionable as well. It's rather like:</p>
<p>HPY
CBD
PC</p>
<p>@posterX </p>
<p>these international rankings are evaluating research universities. the most important factor is the number of publications by a university's faculty. there is no correlation between the number of publications and the quality of a faculty. (not to mention that there is no correlation between the number of publications and the quality of an undergraduate education)</p>
<p>as an example, Amherst (if i recall correctly) havs world renowned faculty (Pulitzer Prize, etc.) but they're mostly (if not exclusively) occupied with teaching and research with [undergraduate] students.</p>
<p>I agree, Rister. It is only one measure. That's why the rankings use several other measures, not just publications.</p>
<p>Amherst is one of the best schools in the United States. I would say the top ten schools in America, on an overall basis and in no particular order, are Harvard, Yale, MIT, Caltech, Princeton, Amherst, Williams, Wellesley, Wesleyan, and Swarthmore.</p>
<p>My ranking of the Ivies, above, has more to do with the quality of undergraduate education (most importantly) and overall campus vibrancy.</p>
<p>Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Brown
Columbia
Upenn
Cornell
Dartmouth</p>
<p>posterx - while I certainly appreciate the love for Wesleyan ;) I find it strange that you would exclude Stanford from the top 10 schools in America.</p>
<p>Stanford is very good, but at the undergraduate level I don't think it quite makes it into the top ten because it is too large. It's also gives out merit scholarships and placements based on athletics, which none of the other top 10 schools do, and which hurts its overall quality. I would still put it in the top 20, along with places like Dartmouth, Cornell, Harvey Mudd, Pomona, Haverford, Chicago and Columbia.</p>
<p>The One True Ranking for undergraduate everything (social life, undergrad academic opportunities, overall awesomeness):</p>
<ol>
<li>Yale</li>
<li>Princeton</li>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>Penn</li>
<li>Columbia
5.5. Penn Wharton (snob appeal is one thing, actual undergrad experience is another...and the Wharton kids ain't enjoyin' it too much)
6.Brown
7.Dartmouth</li>
</ol>
<p>I can't believe this isn't obvious for the rest of you allegedly smart people</p>
<p>^I agree with that except for Penn and Columbia...no idea why you ranked Penn CAS above Penn Wharton...and Columbia for undergrad, are you kidding, it's better than Brown AND Dartmouth?</p>
<p>Wharton kids don't have lives ever. 4 years of working non stop followed by 100 hour weeks at banks. They get their first real break in business school. Penn CAS is better socially for many people than Columbia because it has more of a campus feel while still having a city. Also, it amuses me that JohnnyK left out Cornell.</p>
<ol>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>Yale</li>
<li>Princeton</li>
<li>Dartmouth</li>
<li>Brown</li>
<li>Columbia</li>
<li>Penn</li>
<li> Cornell</li>
</ol>
<p>
[quote]
I agree with that except for Penn and Columbia...no idea why you ranked Penn CAS above Penn Wharton.
[/quote]
</p>
<p>If you looked at my rubric (everything but snob appeal) CAS is easily better than Wharton. I've been here for 4 years and the most interesting and brilliant kids are in the College. Whartonites are usually less happy with their education (at least while getting it).</p>
<p>Wharton kids are trained. Everyone else is educated. That is the best way to sum up the difference. Wharton's only virtue over CAS (at the undergrad level, anyway) is pure snob appeal. Now that my senior friends are getting jobs, I can attest that the CAS kids who want the i-banking and consulting jobs do every bit as well as the Wharton kids.</p>
<p>That is why I put Wharton below CAS. Same results, less intellectually fulfilling getting there</p>
<p>Wharton is better man, that is for us wharton students who have different goals.</p>
<ol>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>Princeton</li>
<li>Yale</li>
<li>Penn</li>
<li>Columbia</li>
<li>Dartmouth</li>
<li>Brown</li>
<li>Cornell</li>
</ol>
<ol>
<li>Princeton</li>
<li>Yale</li>
<li>Penn</li>
<li>Columbia</li>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>Brown</li>
<li>Dartmouth</li>
<li>Cornell</li>
</ol>
<ol>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>Yale</li>
<li>Princeton</li>
<li>Columbia</li>
<li>Penn</li>
<li>Dartmouth</li>
<li>Brown</li>
<li>Cornell</li>
</ol>
<p>So -- just wonderin' -- could anybody give some reasonable, quantifiable support for Cornell's "bottom-tier" status?</p>
<p>I mean:</p>
<ul>
<li><p>She's not a "state school"</p></li>
<li><p>Even if her 20% acceptance rate wasn't thoroughly respectable (and, yeah, it is,) we're still considering the number of applicants the entire university accepts, not single colleges like the CAS or CoE. It's not like twice as many students apply to Cornell than do any given Ivy - and that Ivy most likely has fewer seats to fill. Of course Cornell accept more applicants; how could they not? They're a multi-college conglomerate, 20k strong.</p></li>
<li><p>40 nobel laureates are directly affiliated with the University, compared to Yale's 32, Princeton's 29, Penn's 19, Brown's 3, and Dartmouth's whopping zero.</p></li>
<li><p>Endowment is expected to double within 4 years, to a healthy 8.6 billion.</p></li>
</ul>
<p>I'm not some arbiter of All Things Ivy, here to protect the Cornell Tradition - heck, I'm only a pre-frosh - but it doesn't take a genius to realize how arbitrary and ridiculous these combination list threads/Cornell bash-fests are.</p>
<p>Holla back at me: what gives? How come we're your "country cousin" and the "wannabe Ivy?" Be mature, fellas, and give me something to work with.</p>
<p>Lowest scores, highest acceptance rate.</p>
<p>Magical social perception that is as impossible to define as it is to change.</p>
<p>There's nothing wrong with Cornell as you've pointed out, but ranking it below the other Ivies isn't really bashing either.</p>
<ol>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>Princeton</li>
<li>Yale</li>
<li>Columbia</li>
<li>Penn</li>
<li>Brown</li>
<li>Dartmouth</li>
<li>Cornell</li>
</ol>
<p>Of course, rankings are somewhat useless because it depends whether you're talking undergraduate or graduate school, which programs etc. and it's impossible to do a weighted estimate.</p>