<p>Actually keefer i'd put UIUC and Ga Tech equal to Michigan in engineering overall. Not overly impressed that UCLA has the lowest admission rate of all public schools. It is located in a state with close to 35,000,000 people and i would expect that it would have a low admission rate.</p>
<p>Academically, UCLA's admitted freshmen were again very strong. The overall grade-point average was 4.34, compared with 4.29 last year. The average composite score for the SAT reasoning test remained steady at 2,000, out of a possible 2,400. The average math score was 683, the average reading score was 653 and the average writing score was 664 — all approximately what they were last year. Admitted freshmen took an average of 19.9 honors courses and completed nearly 50.9 college preparatory semester courses — far above the minimum of 30 that is required.</p>
<p>if your looking for a public undergrad focused school, w&m surpasses them all. You may not get the resources that berkley or even uva has, but if you want faculty that focuses on undergrad teaching, w&m is the best. </p>
<p>i remember reading somewhere that in us news, w&m ranked the best in public (3 overall behind dartmouth and brown) on the school with faculty most committed to teaching.</p>