Rank the universities of the WORLD

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<p>Has anyone looked at the US News rankings?
Well here are the top 100 or so in the US according to them:</p>

<ol>
<li>Harvard University<br></li>
<li>Princeton University </li>
<li>Yale University </li>
<li>University of Pennsylvania<br></li>
<li>Duke University
Massachusetts Inst. of Technology<br>
Stanford University </li>
<li>California Institute of Technology<br></li>
<li>Columbia University
Dartmouth College </li>
<li>Northwestern University
Washington University in St. Louis<br></li>
<li>Brown University </li>
<li>Cornell University
Johns Hopkins University
University of Chicago<br></li>
<li>Rice University </li>
<li>University of Notre Dame
Vanderbilt University </li>
<li>Emory University<br></li>
<li>University of California – Berkeley </li>
<li>Carnegie Mellon University
University of Michigan – Ann Arbor
University of Virginia </li>
<li>Georgetown University
Univ. of California – Los Angeles </li>
<li>Wake Forest University </li>
<li>Tufts University </li>
<li>U. of North Carolina – Chapel Hill </li>
<li>Univ. of Southern California<br></li>
<li>College of William and Mary </li>
<li>Brandeis University
New York University<br>
Univ. of Wisconsin – Madison<br></li>
<li>Case Western Reserve Univ.
Univ. of California – San Diego<br></li>
<li>Boston College<br>
Lehigh University<br>
U. of Illinois – Urbana - Champaign<br>
University of Rochester </li>
<li>Georgia Institute of Technology<br></li>
<li>University of California – Davis<br></li>
<li>Tulane University
University of California – Irvine </li>
<li>Univ. of California – Santa Barbara </li>
<li>Rensselaer Polytechnic Inst.
University of Texas – Austin<br>
University of Washington
Yeshiva University </li>
<li>Pennsylvania State U. – University Park<br>
University of Florida </li>
<li>George Washington University<br>
Pepperdine University
Syracuse University </li>
<li>Worcester Polytechnic Inst. </li>
<li>Boston University<br>
Univ. of Maryland – College Park<br></li>
<li>Rutgers – New Brunswick
University of Georgia<br>
University of Iowa
University of Miami </li>
<li>Miami University – Oxford
Ohio State University – Columbus<br>
Purdue Univ. – West Lafayette
Texas A&M Univ. – College Station </li>
<li>University of Connecticut
University of Delaware<br>
Univ. of Minnesota – Twin Cities
University of Pittsburgh<br></li>
<li>Fordham University </li>
<li>Indiana University – Bloomington<br>
Michigan State University<br>
Southern Methodist University </li>
<li>Brigham Young Univ. – Provo
Clark University
Clemson University
SUNY – Binghamton<br>
Univ. of California – Santa Cruz
University of Colorado – Boulder
Virginia Tech<br></li>
<li>Stevens Institute of Technology
St. Louis University<br>
Univ. of California – Riverside</li>
<li>Baylor University
Iowa State University<br></li>
<li>American University
North Carolina State U. – Raleigh<br>
University of Alabama<br>
Univ. of Missouri – Columbia </li>
<li>Auburn University
Howard University
Marquette University
University of Denver<br>
University of Kansas<br>
University of Tennessee<br>
University of Tulsa
University of Vermont<br></li>
<li>Ohio University
SUNY College Environmental Science and Forestry
Texas Christian University<br>
University of Arizona
University of Dayton
Univ. of Massachusetts – Amherst
Univ. of Nebraska – Lincoln
University of New Hampshire </li>
<li>Drexel University
Illinois Institute of Technology<br>
SUNY – Stony Brook
University of Missouri – Rolla<br>
University of San Diego<br></li>
<li>Catholic University of America
Florida State University<br>
Loyola University Chicago<br>
University of San Francisco<br>
University of the Pacific
University of Utah </li>
<li>Colorado State University
University of Oregon
Univ. of South Carolina – Columbia </li>
<li>Michigan Technological University
New School University
Northeastern University
Seton Hall University
University at Buffalo – SUNY<br>
University of Arkansas<br>
University of Kentucky
University of Oklahoma
University of St. Thomas
Washington State University</li>
</ol>

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<p>lol this is so funny, more than half of you haven't even put IIT in your first 5, lmaoooo, guys IIT is the best university BY FAR in the entire f-ing world (i have a myriad of reasons that many have read in hundreds of posts on this website including there ridiculous selectivity), then you can put Harvard, Oxford, Cambridge, Princeton, et cetera..idk why chanman said 'university of india, maybe' lol, if you were talking about IIT then it's not only a maybe it's the best in the entire world.</p>

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<p>I love Intel2007. Newbies are great for a laugh or two. Has anyone looked at the USNews ranking? Ha, priceless.</p>

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<p>Let's take a moment to consider these discussions about IIT.</p>

<p>Comparing IIT to any US institution (even CalTech or MIT) is like comparing apples and oranges. And I say that for any number of reasons, namely:</p>

<p>1) First, IIT isn't ONE university. It is a COLLECTION of universities - much like the UC system in California - currently there are 7 IIT institutions across India. So to compare IIT to any SINGLE university is a flawed analogy to begin with.</p>

<p>2) Second, IIT concentrates largely in technology and engineering. That doesn't mean that IIT isn't a leading institution in these areas - far from it - it absolutely is. However, when most people discuss colleges / universities at the undergraduate level people are generally talking about institutions which focus on providing undergrads with a well-rounded liberal arts education (which does include the sciences, but isn't wholly dominated by the sciences). Therefore in order to fairly compare IIT across the board with other universities, say in the US, it's best to keep them in the same categories (say MIT, CalTech, etc.) - in other words a set of institutions which represent a very tiny percentage of colleges/universities in the US.</p>

<p>3) People point to IIT's incredibly low acceptance rates (i think it's approx. 2%) and then make the rather dubious assumption that due to this incredibly low acceptance rate (compared to the low teens for the Ivies) that IIT must be better. Well, if one just ranked universities purely on the back of acceptance rates, then I guess an argument could be made. But let's not lose the forest for the trees.</p>

<p>Fact is, India is the 2nd most populous country in the WORLD - we are talking over a BILLION people folks! Next, each IIT has roughly 1,500 undergrads (with the exception of one), therefore the entire IIT system has about 10,000 undergrads - or roughly about 2,500 spots for incoming freshman. Now you don't need to be an applied math major to figure out the incredible competition that exists with those kinds of numbers going against you as an aspiring high school student from the 2nd most populous country in the world. I went to B-school with an IIT graduate and he simply summed it up by saying "every valedictorian across the country applies to IIT but due to the sheer numbers, a certain percentage just won't get in."</p>

<p>So we have established that getting into IIT is extremely competitive (perhaps the most competitive school in the world). Fine. But one has to step back and ask the question: "Does that in and of itself a great university make?"</p>

<p>In other words, sheer numbers like that MUST be taken into consideration with ALL of the above factors (comparing apples with apples, etc.)</p>

<p>In recent years, China and India have certainly come quickly up the curve in terms of its economic (and political) signficance and output on the world stage and is certainly poised to continue moving along a much steeper curve vs. the West (which they should by definition given that they are coming up from a lower base).</p>

<p>But - and here is the key point - let's keep it real.</p>

<p>The fact that there are 10's of millions Chinese or 10's of millions Indians gunning for a small number of spots at their respective leading / champion national universities proves just one thing: </p>

<p>There are a heck of a lot of Chinese and Indian people on the planet.</p>

<p>Now that's not being (or trying to be) racist or facetious.</p>

<p>I mean, clearly IIT's reputation as a leader in tech / engineering is well deserved. But even here, there's a bit of "chicken and egg" debate. In other words: A) is IIT a leading technology school because its programs have some unique comparative advantage or are uniquely designed to produce "elite" engineers or B) is IIT a leading technology school because: 1) Asian countries tend to place a high priority in the sciences to begin with (not to mention countries such as India which will pour a hugely disproporationate amount of capital both public and private into its champion institutions such as IIT) and 2) the "best, brightest and most brilliant engineering minds" across India all automatically congregate to IIT? I'd say it's some combination of both A and B.</p>

<p>That said, could one compare IIT to say, Princeton or Dartmouth or Williams? I guess you could. But you can also compare those schools with RISD / Parsons and Julliard (all recognized academic leaders in their respective fields of arts and music), but what does that accomplish?</p>

<p>In other words, IIT is a highly specialized school in an area in which it certainly excels (not to mention the very specific characteristics which are unique to its own particular demographics). </p>

<p>But then again, so is RISD and so is Julliard. and you don't see them in the national college rankings. Why not?</p>

<p>If you can answer that question, then you will have gone a long way in answering why comparing IIT to the leading US undergraduate programs is largely an exercise in futility.</p>

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<p>ur wrong about the US News rankings Intel2007... Princeton is ranked number 1 in a tie with Harvard. It is NOT number 2. </p>

<p>--David--
Miami, FL</p>

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<p>How about Hillsborough Community College! LOL</p>

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<p>Let's all just eat some CHEESE!</p>

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<p>hukka moni shukkkAAA!!!</p>

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<p>China and maybe India will definitely surpass America both in prestige, economic clout, and miliary power witihin the next 20 or 30 years. Therefore, the Chinese and Indian universities will be the most prestigious in the world while HYPS will turn into has-beens like Oxford and Cambridge. In fact, Oxford and Cambridge might even become better has-been universities than HYPS. It might come to be that HYPS are relegated to the same status as the elite German Universities that used to be the best in the world but now are just obscure. </p>

<p>For those of you who dispute the fact that America is in decline, let me remind you of a few things.</p>

<ol>
<li>Bush's war on intellectualism and science has made us fall behind in education. We are much less educated than our Chinese and Indian counterparts, and this gap is growing faster that you can imagine. </li>
<li>Bush's refusal to allow government funding of stem cell research will make us fall behind in a sector that will become hotter than the digital revolution. Do you think America would be powerful today if we never embraced digital technology, and let all the other countries do the research?</li>
<li>Our foreign policy has made the world hate us, and we have no true friends overseas. We are despised and seen as an imperialist oil grabber.</li>
</ol>

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<p>Oxbridge aren't "has-beens" you arrogant ill-informed retard.</p>

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<p>They aren't, but I'm seriously concerned about Oxford and how the reforms there are going to affect it.</p>

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<p>The reforms were vetoed....but they are not bad reforems in any case. I think keeping an eye on the academics is a good idea.</p>

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<p>Oxford and Cambridge are definitely has-beens. They used to be the best in the world, and now they are just......bleh. I am just using them as an example to show that even though schools like Stanford and Harvard and Yale are the best in the world right now, they might also become has-beens once the American empire crumbles just like the British empire did. (And yes, America is an empire). </p>

<p>Oxford and Cambridge are good schools, but they aren't wow inspiring schools. The same will happen to HYPS.</p>

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<p>Oxbridge and HYPSM will only become 'has-beens' if they fail to recognise the increasing competition in global education. Oxbridge for sure are keeping their tabs and taking this global competition very seriously. I am not familiar with HYPSM so I don't know much in that department or what they are doing about it.</p>

<p>It's not as if these great instituitions are blind to what's happening on the global education front. Suffice to say that while the Asian universities will no doubt catch-up in maybe 20 or 30 years' time, it is highly unlikely that Oxbridge and HYPSM will become 'has-beens'. They will surely remain among the top as long as they are not blind to competition.</p>

<p>Observing the trend in current global education is one thing - predicting the future with such a sweeping statement is another thing.</p>

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<p>Hash,</p>

<p>Just making sure we're on the same page here... The two proposals by Mr. Hood, to centralize decision making, and to change the way that the dons work, were both stopped?</p>

<p>I'm all for Oxford being modernized to an extent, but it seems that Hood is trying to copy the American model just for the sake of familiarity.</p>

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<p>And there is still one issue that plagues Chinese universities: The CCP.</p>

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<p>Here are so more focus groups/think tanks that rate college by prestige (or so they say)</p>

<p><a href="http://brodyadmissions.com/college/resources/college_rankings.php%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://brodyadmissions.com/college/resources/college_rankings.php&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p><a href="http://www.consusgroup.com/news/rankings/colleges/selectivity.asp%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.consusgroup.com/news/rankings/colleges/selectivity.asp&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>I DID NOT write these articles, so please do not direct the firestorm towards me.</p>

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Just making sure we're on the same page here... The two proposals by Mr. Hood, to centralize decision making, and to change the way that the dons work, were both stopped?

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<p>Yup. By overwhelming majorities. I think that Hood's plans were a little extreme but definitely on the right track. </p>

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The same will happen to HYPS.

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<p>The main reason for the decline of the European universities - especially the German elite ones - is lack of funding. That only goes hand in hand with the clout of their countries in the day when they were funded by the state (still are). The American colleges, with their ridiculous endowments and expert fund managers, have at least a twenty year head start over the Chinese universities - which, let's face it, won't go private any time soon. While there definitely will be competition from the Asian schools, the massive difference in finances means America should still be able to attract the best from overseas. No other country grants the level of academic freedom that America does, nor are they likely to, particularly while they remain state run. </p>

<p>HYPS's global dominance only really started towards the late 70s and 80s when they started building up their endowments, not when America became a superpower. Before that it was definitely a more level playing field.</p>

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<p>Ok, so ITT is up there, thought it might be considered one of the best, I myself disagree because it doesn't have the same prestige as per se...Harvard, Yale, Oxford, Cambridge...As shallow as that sounds, that is how rankings work[look at how US NEWS ranks US's best university].</p>

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As shallow as that sounds

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<p>It's not that shallow. Prestige is almost always earned. IIT are reknowned for the toughness of their admission and the quality of their students, but not as much for their research output, which is what determines the prestige of a university.</p>