Ranking For Undergrad With Highest Acceptance Rates To Law School?

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<p>Your list is a wish list. Many are working at commercial banks and other normal jobs. Total employment in big finance is down by 100,000s over the peak. Same for PE and the rest.</p>

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<p>lesdiablesbleus is right on. They take jobs in corp dev or go to top high finance or corporate jobs, or get an MBA at a top school. I don’t know one ex-top consulting or high finance alum working at a commercial bank or normal job. With all due respect (sometimes the truth sounds elitist) I would think it would be harder for someone in Seattle to have a grasp of the career path of Ivy grads.</p>

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<p>you’re still in.
Wait till you’re out then see what you’re doing.
I personally know two Wharton MBAs within ten minutes from my house here who haven’t worked in years, following their forced exit from the street. Corporate jobs <em>are</em> normal jobs, so far as pay scale is concerned.</p>

<p>Many people may share the scenario you are describing, but I assure you there are others who do not.</p>

<p>I think the worst case I know was the VP who got let go during round 1, went to Drexel for a year then they blew up, then he couldn’t get anything, COBRA ran out or he didn’t have it for some reason, got cancer, no health insurance, died.</p>

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<p>Well, we don’t have hard data for many Ivy schools. We do have recent some data for Brown:</p>

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<p>So, let’s see: In 2008, 266 Brown grads applied to law school, which would be roughly a fifth of a typical graduating class. Of those, 85% (227) were accepted to one or more law schools. That means 15% (or 39 total) didn’t get into ANY law school. Some ended up in top law schools—17 at Harvard, 11 at Columbia, 7 at Yale. (From the data presented we can surmise that there were <5 at Penn, <5 at Cornell, <5 at Chicago, <5 at Stanford). Most Brown law school applicants, though, apparently ended up at less prestigious law schools: that year’s cohort of Brown grads matriculated at a total of 50 law schools, i.e., they were distributed across roughly ¼ of all ABA-approved law schools. So I think it’s safe to assume that, of those who applied to law school, most didn’t end up at Ivy or Ivy-tier law schools, and a goodly number must have ended up at rather less prestigious law schools.</p>

<p>Of course, many of those who applied didn’t go to law school straight from undergrad. The Brown data chart says that about 80% of 2008 Brown applicants had spent 1 or more years in the workplace before applying to law school—no doubt many of them in the IB and consulting industries. Yale Law School tells us their median matriculant enters at age 25, which is old enough to have spent on average about 3 years in the workplace.</p>

<p>My guess—and it’s only a guess—is that roughly comparable numbers of Brown grads, possibly more, end up applying to and matriculating in MBA programs after 2-4 years in the workplace, many of them coming from the IB or consulting industries. If that assumption is correct, then probably close to half of the graduating class at Brown either enrolls in a JD or MBA program directly, or goes out and works for 2-4 years, then goes back to retool their skills by getting a JD or MBA degree. No telling how many burn out while working demanding entry-level IB or management consulting jobs, or are encouraged to leave after 2-4 years, and end up doing something else entirely, without pursuing the JD or MBA option.</p>

<p>Look, it’s not a bad life. Salaries are good for those 2-4 years. The work is demanding but exciting, and you can learn a lot and make some good contacts. But don’t fool yourself into thinking this is a lifetime career path, because chances are it’s not. Maybe 1 in 7 or 1 in 10 who start in IB or management consulting will survive to make partner. The pyramidal structure of the industry demands that kind of wash-out rate. If you’re lucky you’ll end up in a top JD or MBA program after 2-4 years, and have a second chance. If you’re less lucky, you’ll end up in a less prestigious JD or MBA program and take your chances from there. But these are still much greater opportunities than most people will ever have. So be grateful for what you’ve got.</p>

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<p>According to the Law School Admission Council, all the Ivies—despite their relatively small size as undergraduate colleges—rank among the nation’s 240 top “feeder” schools for law schools, producing the largest raw numbers of law school applicants. As a percentage of their graduating class applying to law school, Yale and Harvard lead the pack, sending 28.0% and 24.8% of their graduates, respectively, in search of places in the nation’s law schools.</p>

<p>College / # of 2008-09 law school applicants / law school applicants as % of estimated graduating class</p>

<p>Cornell / 602 / 17.3%
Penn / 473 / 19.4%
Harvard / 412 / 24.8%
Yale / 369 / 28.0%
Brown / 261 / 16.7%
Columbia / 257 / 13.3%
Princeton / 254 / 19.9%
Dartmouth / 241 / 23.0%</p>

<p>Anecdotal reports from Ivy grads about how few of their classmates went to law school straight out of college are not inconsistent with the data. As the data from Brown (post #244 above) indicates, roughly 80% of Brown grads applying to law school did so after one or more years in the workforce. Some go into short-term careers in investment banking or consulting before returning to law school; others join Teach for America, or perhaps the Peace Corps. Wherever they go for their first job after college, though, Ivy grads eventually end up in law school in droves. Bottom line, the idea that Ivy grads are somehow “too good” for law school is pure bunk. </p>

<p>Nor do Ivy grads all get into top law schools. Dartmouth’s Career Office website lists 138 law schools that accepted Dartmouth grads in 2009, ranging from Yale and Harvard at the high end, to 3rd- and 4th-tier law schools like the University of Akron, University of the District Columbia, and Florida Coastal School of Law. It’s not clear how many Dartmouth grads ended up at those 3rd- and 4th-tier law schools; but we can at least infer from the fact they were admitted that they applied.</p>

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<p>For comparison purposes, here are the numbers of law school applicants from some other top “feeder” schools:</p>

<p>College / # of 2008-09 law school applicants / law school applicants as % of estimated graduating class</p>

<p>U Florida / 1193 / 14.2%
UCLA / 1152 / 17.3%
U Texas-Austin / 1049 / 11.0%
UC Berkeley / 1004 / 15.7%
Michigan / 853 / 13.0%
Wisconsin / 696 / 9.2%
UNC-Chapel Hill / 611 / 13.6%
USC / 574 / 13.7%
George Washington / 549 / 20.6%
UVA / 532 / 13.8%
Georgetown / 488 / 26.3%
Boston College / 403 / 17.6%
Duke / 393 / 23.9%
Notre Dame / 359 / 17.3%
Northwestern / 335 / 15.2%
Emory / 328 / 18.8%
Stanford / 259 / 15.7%
U Chicago / 220 / 17.4%</p>

<p>Generally, then, the norm at top schools both public and private seems to be that somewhere around 15% of graduates eventually apply to law school. Yale (28.0%), Georgetown (26.3%), Harvard (24.8%), Duke (23.9%), and Dartmouth (23.0%) stand out as being well north of that figure, on a percentage basis the nation’s biggest producers of law school applicants.</p>

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<p>Yale’s undergraduate career services office helpfully provides us with law school admissions stats for Yale grads entering law school in 2009. Of the 375 Yale applicants, 77 were graduating seniors (20.5%) and 297 were alums (79.2%). The seniors were slightly better qualified (average 168.1 LSAT, 3.70 GPA, versus 165.4 and 3.52 for alums). Not surprisingly, then, the seniors had a better success rate, averaging 9.97 applications and 4.44 acceptances, versus 8.0 applications and 2.97 acceptances for the alums.</p>

<p>Acceptance rates at T15 law schools:</p>

<p>Rank) Law school / Yale applicants / accepted (% accepted) / matriculated

  1. Yale / 163 / 40 (24.5%) / 26
  2. Harvard / 228 / 66 (28.9%) / 32
  3. Stanford / 160 / 44 (27.5%) / 9
  4. Columbia / 211 / 86 (40.8%) / 20
  5. U Chicago / 156 / 53 (34.0%) / 1
  6. NYU / 200 / 98 (49.0%) / 18
  7. UC Berkeley / 154 / 38 (24.7%) / 6
  8. Penn / 177 / 51 (28.8%) / 8
  9. Michigan / 95 / 36 (37/9%) / 5
  10. UVA / 142 / 26 (18.3%) / 6
  11. Duke / 120 / 32 (26.7%) / 3
  12. Northwestern / 100 / 33 (33.0%) / 2
  13. Cornell / 58 / 16 (27.6%) / 2
  14. Georgetown / 181 / 93 (51.4%) / 13
  15. UCLA / 97 / 46 (47.4%) / 3
  16. Texas / 50 / 23 (46.0%) / 3</p>

<p>These are very impressive admit rates, especially in comparison to the low overall admit rates for this group of law schools. Note that there are a lot of cross-admits, however; after Harvard (32), Yale (26), Columbia (20), NYU (18), and Georgetown (13), the number of Yale matriculants at every T15 law school drops to single digits, despite double-digit acceptances. We have to assume, then, that a large fraction of the 53 Yalies admitted to the University of Chicago Law School (for example) were cross-admits to one or more other T15 schools which they ultimately preferred, since only 1 of the 53 admits actually matriculated. Still, a total of 157 Yalies matriculated in T15 law schools in 2009; that represents 41.9% of the Yalies who applied to any law school, a very impressive record.</p>

<p>As for those who didn’t gain entrance to a T15 school, they ended up at a wide smattering of schools. Here are some of the non-T15 law schools with the most Yale matriculants: Fordham 6, UC Hastings 5, USC 5, American 4, Boston College 3, Boston U 3, Vanderbilt 3, Cardozo 2, GW 2, Notre Dame 2, U Washington 2, Wash U 2, along with 1 each at Brooklyn, Emory, Temple, UConn, and Washington & Lee. These are all good to excellent law schools. Not every Yale applicant did that well, however. Undoubtedly some ended up at less impressive law schools, and in all likelihood some were shut out completely. (Yale’s data table shows only 185 matriculants, which is only 49.3% of the Yale applicants, so I’m assuming there are a lot of additional law schools with 1 or more Yalies accepted and/or matriculating—though we can’t tell from the data). Still, for those aiming for top law schools, there’s probably no undergraduate college that does better statistically than Yale.</p>

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<p>^ Then again, if you bring a 170+ LSAT and a 3.9+ GPA, you can probably get into a T15 law school from just about anywhere. LOL.</p>

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<p>"Generally, then, the norm at top schools both public and private seems to be that somewhere around 15% of graduates eventually apply to law school. Yale (28.0%), Georgetown (26.3%), Harvard (24.8%), Duke (23.9%), and Dartmouth (23.0%) stand out as being well north of that figure, on a percentage basis the nation’s biggest producers of law school applicants. "</p>

<p>In most top schools there are too many pre-law people its. But really it does not really matter school u go to. Its all about the GPA and the LSAT. The school u go to is just for your self-esteem haha especially if you have a low one lol</p>