<p>Lol, read The Overachievers for the ultimate CCer mentality.</p>
<p>"UChicago? That's not an ivy, does it suck?"</p>
<p>I agree, people look down on Cornell too much just because of its acceptance rate.</p>
<p>I'd rank the Ivies as so:</p>
<p>Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Columbia
Upenn
Cornell
Dartmouth
Brown</p>
<p>^^
That's about how I would rank them too. UPenn and Cornell might be a little interchangeable, but perhaps not.</p>
<p>"Not to mention, Cornell's mission is egalitarian, not elitist."</p>
<p>They're doing a pretty crummy job of serving that mission with a 20% acceptance rate. I don't think they're trying to serve that mission any more (if they ever were).</p>
<p>Cornell's weakness is undergrad focus, i.e. endowment per student, money spent on advising, classes over 100 students, etc.</p>
<p>^^^
That's a legitimate and pretty accurate critique. Endowment's tough to turn around quickly for a school that size, but they had their class sizes down in the 90s. Don't know why they've let it creep back up.</p>
<p>The</a> New York Times > Week in Review > Image > Collegiate Matchups: Predicting Student Choices</p>
<p>I agree with everyone who is ****ed off at all the people using this thread to make themselves feel even more superior. So just because you got into Harvard, it doesn't mean you can look down upon someone who got into Cornell. </p>
<p>Bejeezus.</p>
<p>I hope everyone enjoys the experience at whatever college you go to.</p>
<p>Recently, I have read several articles from various sources that said that Harvard will slip the rankings because every year, a bigger part of their freshmen class is made up of kids who got in because their parents were rich and had power. One article even said that this year, 2/3 of the freshmen class got in through their parents' money/prestige, and 1/3 got in through true academic skill. I'm not saying only Harvard does this, but if these top tier schools keep this up, they won't be top tier for long.</p>
<p>Anyways, my ranking is</p>
<p>Harvard
Princeton
Columbia
Cornell
Yale
U Penn
Dartmouth
Brown</p>
<p>since more than half of undergrads are on need based aid, i kinda doubt that.</p>
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Recently, I have read several articles from various sources that said that Harvard will slip the rankings because every year, a bigger part of their freshmen class is made up of kids who got in because their parents were rich and had power. One article even said that this year, 2/3 of the freshmen class got in through their parents' money/prestige, and 1/3 got in through true academic skill. I'm not saying only Harvard does this, but if these top tier schools keep this up, they won't be top tier for long.
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<p>sarcasm FTW? I sure hope so.</p>
<p>I think too many discount the value of undergrad focus. Why do Williams, Amherst, and Dartmouth all place so well into grad school. Why does Dartmouth arguably have the best business placement after HYP and Wharton? Its because these schools are far richer per student (700-1M per student vs. 200-300K at Cornell and Penn) and spend far more on advising and career services (Dartmouth spends 3 times the amount Penn does according to COHE). They also tend to be much smaller, which helps keep the alumni community active and intimate. </p>
<p>Unless your einstein I'd argue its much better to have a slightly less known professor take a far greater interest in you. At the undergrad level doing a thesis, getting undergrad research grants, and having great recs will get you into grad school; not being in a 300 person lecture with a nobel laureate. </p>
<p>Only Harvard and Yale are rich enough to support this level or undergrad focus while maintaining strong graduate programs. </p>
<p>As such, IMO the best Ivies: rated by (undergrad focus, graduate research). Just my opinion.</p>
<ol>
<li>Harvard (7 undergrad focus, 10 research) = 17</li>
<li>Yale (8, 9) = 17</li>
<li>Princeton (10, 7) = 17 </li>
<li>Dartmouth (10, 4) = 14</li>
<li>Columbia (6, 7) = 13</li>
<li>Penn (5, 7) = 12</li>
<li>Brown (8, 4) = 12</li>
<li>Cornell (3, 8) = 11</li>
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<p>"Recently, I have read several articles from various sources that said that Harvard will slip the rankings because every year, a bigger part of their freshmen class is made up of kids who got in because their parents were rich and had power. One article even said that this year, 2/3 of the freshmen class got in through their parents' money/prestige, and 1/3 got in through true academic skill. I'm not saying only Harvard does this, but if these top tier schools keep this up, they won't be top tier for long."</p>
<p>Where was this read - here on CC? Is this a joke or are there really idiots like this out there?</p>
<p>Probably both.</p>