<p>You kid sounds like a lot of the kids we talk about here!</p>
<p>Our guidance counselor told us she views musicians the same way she views athletes in terms of admissions to schools they might not get into for academics alone.</p>
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<blockquote> <p>if a student completely nails the audition but has a marginal transcript and SAT, the professor may lobby admissions to get the kid into their studio.>></p> </blockquote>
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<p>I think there are two keys to this...first the student would need to NAIL the audition...probably be one of the top on his/her instrument. Second the student would have to have a transcript and SAT that are in the ball park for admission to the university. Simply put...if a student is highly desired by a university music program but they have SLIGHTLY (I mean slightly) lower stats, the music department MIGHT have success lobbying admissions for an accept to the university. And this policy varies by school.</p>
<p>As some schools (UMich used to have this)...the student must be admitted academically BEFORE an audition is even scheduled.</p>
<p>At some schools you have to be admitted by both the university AND the music department using each standard separately.</p>
<p>At some schools, if you do very well at the audition, the music department can help you...at some the music department has absolutely no leverage with admissions.</p>
<p>I do not think this is like athletics at all. Athletes are recruited. Very few musicians are.</p>
<p>Flugel,</p>
<p>I think you can probably get a pretty good sense of the possibilities for your son by asking around at the conservatory prep to see where this year's seniors are going... </p>
<p>Also, is your son looking to major in trumpet performance? Or to feature his music accomplishments more in terms of extracurricular activities? I think most schools that accept performance majors by audition care a LOT more about the audition than the GPA/scores - (with a few notable exceptions such as Rice). If he's not aiming at a performance major, then I don't know that excellent music abilities trump low SAT/GPA much...</p>
<p>If the interest is in jazz trumpet, Purchase has both Jon Faddis and Ray Vega teaching.</p>
<p>I think the reality is that with all the competition there is for top studios, I don't think a teacher has to settle for a student that is marginal academically. There will usually be someone who is just as good musically that meets the academic standards as well. My guess is that the only exceptions to this are students who are far and above the rest of the pool, but those students really don't have to worry about where they will go.</p>
<p>Thumper1 already mentioned Hartt but I wanted to let you know that we have added a new faculty member, Kevin Cobb, to our current roster. </p>
<p>In addition to asking about which schools are good for trumpet you should consider which schools are good for undergraduate trumpet students. Many schools on do not offer as many performance opportunities to their undergraduate students as they do their graduate students.</p>
<p>symphonymom’s list includes universities and conservatories for trumpet students. I’ve been [generally] focising on liberal arts-oriented colleges that also offer BM degrees for my trumpet-playing son. I’ve yet to focus much on each school’s trumpet competence, in particular.</p>
<p>Here’s my current list, in no particular order:</p>
<p>o Lawrence
o DePauw
o St. Olaf
o Illinois Wesleyan
o Ithaca
o Wooster
o Furman
o Bard
o Cornell College [IA]
o Oberlin</p>
<p>Ithaca is a bit different from the rest, but I intend to keep it on the list for now.</p>
<p>He’s just finished his freshman year in high school, so it’s still hard to guage what his ability and stats will be 2.5 years from now. He’s off to a pretty good good start.</p>
<p>Plays piano as a second instrument. Likes both classical and jazz. Interested in composition and theory. I’d say he has a real knack for theory, so he may not end up being a performance major. Also loves his Latin class and would like to continue along this vein through college. The ideal would be a setting with strong trumpet and strong composition/theory, and a viable Classics department … among other factors.</p>
<p>Any thoughts or feedback will be greatly appreciated. I’ve been doing this reseach in a vacuum to date and it’s starting to hurt my head.</p>
<p>Hi Trumpetdad and welcome to this forum. You make one comment that is really important. A LOT can change between freshman year of high school and application/auditions to college…if he even decides to do the audition route.</p>
<p>I would suggest that your son have a HUGE hand in finding his college. Your list is an interesting one, and might be perfect for your son depending on what his longterm music aspirations are.</p>
<p>I noticed that most of the schools on your list are somewhat remote in location. I will give you my son’s opinion. He says that music majors MUST be able to attend concerts and other music programs given by others off of the college campus as well as the ones on campus. He thinks that students should be able to attend orchestral concerts put on by a symphony orchestra with a good repertoire and conductor. He did not look at any small, rural schools for that reason. Just his opinion…and obviously this varies by student as there are many music programs at remote locations.</p>
<p>Non-trumpet mom stopping by to welcome TrumpetDad! You’ve come to the right place for assistance, but your head will probably continue to hurt for awhile. :eek:</p>
<p>Glad to see St Olaf on your list - A friend of my S’s from youth orchestra (many years ago now) majored in trumpet there. He applied to Juilliard for grad school, got in, but took a spot at North Texas instead, because they offered him a full scholarship (and I believe they have a great trumpet studio) - but he ended up dropping out after a year because he won an orchestra job. That reflects well on St Olaf!</p>
<p>Just FYI, someone referenced the University of Michigan as having a FORMER practice of academic clearance before auditioning. That remains a PRESENT practice as recently as last fall in the case of my ds.
Cheers,
K</p>
<p>University of North Texas has a very highly regarded music program especially their jazz program. </p>
<p>I was the one who made the comment about UMich where I said it “used to” have this requirement. I wasn’t sure if that was still the case. When my son was applying, UMich applicants had to be accepted academically before their audition was even scheduled.</p>
<p>For a great trumpet studio…look at Grand Valley State in Michigan. Their soloists and ensemble players are frequent winners at the National Trumpet Competition (google that to see for yourself). Their grads have gotten accepted at some very fine grad schools too.</p>
<p>Great feedback here, thanks.</p>
<p>This whole CC site is a treasure trove. Not sure why I wasn’t here sooner.</p>
<p>Hi TrumpetDad,
Welcome to CC. Our family has certainly reaped many benefits from the information that posters have shared here. My only caution is that it is wise to set a limit on the number of hours you spend reading. This is a very addictive site, but for good reason. </p>
<p>That being said, I can share information about a couple of the schools on your son’s list. S1 attended Lawrence as a double degree student in Piano Performance and English then transferred to and just graduated from Oberlin with degrees in Piano and English and Religion. He would give both schools rave reviews. S2 seriously considered Lawrence for the DD in trumpet and Neuroscience but has ended up at an LAC in California that better suited his athletic interests as well as academics and music. He did not consider Oberlin as he did not feel he was at that level in trumpet. Seeing his brother navigate the double degrees helped him realize that he just wasn’t that committed to the music side of things. He still studies trumpet and plays in the college orchestra. I would be happy to answer any questions you have regarding either Oberlin or Lawrence.
Good luck to your son in his search.</p>
<p>Flugel,
If your daughter changes her mind about staying in the midwest area USC Thornton (Los Angeles) is on the above list. It is necessary to submit an application to the university as well as to the Thornton School of Music. Here is the website for more information: [USC</a> Thornton School of Music](<a href=“http://www.usc.edu/music/]USC”>http://www.usc.edu/music/) . Also, there are videos on YouTube, which can be accessed about the school, faculty and long history.
Trumpet faculty: Gilbert Castellanos, Donald Green, Dr. Ron McCurdy, Roy McCurdy, John Thomas and Boyde Hood. A resume of each faculty member is available on the website.
Although USC is a private university admission is need blind and financial aid packages are offered for those who qualify.</p>
<p>Thanks, pianomom.</p>
<p>A couple of questions:</p>
<p>o If S1 would give a rave review for Lawrence, why the transfer to Oberlin?</p>
<p>o If the Oberlin degrees are three-fold, in Piano, English, and Religion, is the Piano a BM or a BA? I don’t think I’ve heard of anyone completing a BM and a BA double major.</p>
<p>Send a PM, if preferred.</p>
<p>As a soon to be college freshman, </p>
<p>It is important to consider how much of a hand you, as parents, should have in choosing the schools your children audition at, especially at such a young age. I understand the necessary role of the parent to be involved for the finances and wanting the best for your child. However, it takes a lot of self motivation and hard work to get into a top school, and if they want to go to a top school it is up to them to work hard.</p>
<p>Also, though having a plan of what schools to apply to is good, don’t do that for your son or daughter at a young age. It will:</p>
<p>a) change dramatically and
b)they could decide to pursue jazz studies rather than classical studies. </p>
<p>To prove my point, here is the list of schools I was planning on auditioning at in August of this last year:</p>
<p>Juilliard
Northwestern
St. Olaf
University of Minnesota
CIM
Curtis
Colburn
DePaul</p>
<p>I ended up only applying to 4 of those and and after hearing of my acceptance at the school of my choice, canceled my remaining audition.</p>
<p>This may seem like a long rant. However, the point is, that if the student wants to get in to a good school, THEY will have to work very very hard to do so. People like Allen Vizzutti, Wynton Marsalis, Phil Smith ect. Weren’t born that way, they practiced. </p>
<p>In response to the number of students getting into various schools (I am 99% sure)</p>
<p>Juilliard accepted 3 freshman and 1 transfer (large entering class)
and Northwestern accepted 7 freshman (also large entering class)</p>
<p>TrumpetDad: (I sent a PM with a more specific answer.)</p>
<p>S1 left Lawrence to study with a particular piano teacher and because his girlfriend was there. </p>
<p>He graduated from Oberlin with a BM in Piano Performance and BA in English and Religion. The double degree programs at both Lawrence and Oberlin are a great option for motivated students who have strong academic interests. Many go on to med, law or graduate school in their academic field.</p>
<p>TWill-</p>
<p>Where are you headed in the fall?</p>
<p>Tomdug-</p>
<p>After being accepted at both Juilliard and Northwestern, I decided that Juilliard was the right choice for me. </p>
<p>I would like to say though that I have taken a lesson with Butler (at Northwestern) and she is a wonderful teacher. The studio there is full of great players who are quite dedicated and have had great success. When it comes time to get my masters, i will be up there again to audition for her and Geyer!</p>
<p>Congrats TWill! That’s very impressive! Gould and Mase have been turning out great players. Try to keep us updated! Just out of curiosity, what did you audition with? (I think you have to play Legend at NW, right?)</p>