Rating Residency programs

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<p>Goodness. The blind hog finds an acorn. :wink: </p>

<p>D has a wonderful relationship with a husband and wife Plastic Surgeon and Dermatologist. Spent 2 hours today picking their brains and…walked away with an introduction to the program director of a prestigious Derm program and his “give me call and we’ll chat” cell phone number!! </p>

<p>Can’t hurt. He’s not that far away in Texas terms and maybe just maybe she can get to see him before she heads back. </p>

<p>FWIW also got his take on recommended derm programs and a quick “looking good” at her CV so far. </p>

<p>Much, much more than she ever expected. </p>

<p>He also told her to kick serious butt in her IM rotation but she knew that anyway. Surgery and IM appear to be the 2 to Honor. </p>

<p>I hope she gets more program details and a bit more of a roadmap when they talk.</p>

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<p>I read the above post to the kid and apparently I got some of that ^^^ garbled but hey. It’s basically true.</p>

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<p>There is a highly meticulous list of the best programs in each field on a thread in the allopathic section of SDN.</p>

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<p>El linko, por favor?</p>

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<p>Well, I’ll go ino the land of dragons and see if I can find it myself. If anyone stumbles onto it befre I do, post a link.</p>

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<p>Can’t find it. Crap.
Edit: Found it!
<a href=“Compilation of top residency programs | Student Doctor Network”>Compilation of top residency programs | Student Doctor Network;
Did stumble on this. [Ranking</a> the dermatology programs based on measurements of academic achievement](<a href=“Ranking the dermatology programs based on measurements of academic achievement”>Ranking the dermatology programs based on measurements of academic achievement)</p>

<p>I also found a sdn thread pretty much totally discounting what I am attempting to do. Nice to know. :frowning: </p>

<p>At the app point , she’s just gonna have to decide who to believe and apply to those rec’ed programs. Then of course, the game changes and she is at the mercy of the interview invites. Changes again for the actual match.</p>

<p>One thing I am noticing…the logistics are really different between programs. As an example, the Mayo program in Florida has a PGY-1 that does not require a separate app. That is appealing in and of itself.</p>

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<p>Just for “stuff” and giggles. :wink: </p>

<p>Here is what a combined derm list from sdn and the program director would look like, in no particular order.</p>

<p>Penn
Yale
Harvard
UCSF
Stanford
Michigan
NYU
Columbia
Miami
Emory
UTSW
UT-H-Texas Medical Center
Baylor</p>

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<p>And here are the results of the “scholarly” article. </p>

<p>Dermatology Program
Overall Rank and Points</p>

<p>Pennsylvania, University of

  1. 91</p>

<p>San Francisco, University of California
2) 89.5</p>

<p>Yale-New Haven Medical Center
3) 66</p>

<p>New York University (NYU)
4) 63</p>

<p>Michigan, University of
5) 56.5</p>

<p>Emory University
6) 56</p>

<p>Thomas Jefferson University
7) 54</p>

<p>Mayo Clinic in Rochester, MN
8) 48.5</p>

<p>Harvard University
9) 44</p>

<p>Columbia, New York Presbyterian Hospital
10) 42.5</p>

<p>Northwestern University
11) 37</p>

<p>Stanford University
12) 33</p>

<p>Wake Forest University School of Medicine
13) 29.5</p>

<p>Boston University/Tufts University
14) 29</p>

<p>Oregon Health Sciences University
15) 28.5</p>

<p>Case Western Reserve
16) 28</p>

<p>Baylor College of Medicine
17-18) 25</p>

<p>Johns Hopkins University
17-18) 25</p>

<p>Southwestern, University of Texas
19) 24</p>

<p>Los Angeles, University of California
20-21) 19.5</p>

<p>Miami-Jackson, University of
20-21) 19.5</p>

<p>Alabama, University of
22) 17</p>

<p>Houston, University of Texas
23) 16</p>

<p>Utah, University of
24) 14</p>

<p>San Diego, University of California
25) 13</p>

<p>Massachusetts, University of Program
26) 9.5</p>

<p>Duke University
27-28) 9</p>

<p>Mount Sinai School of Medicine
27-28) 9</p>

<p>Vanderbilt University
29) 8.5</p>

<p>Pittsburgh, University Health Center of
30) 7</p>

<p>Interestingly, or maybe not so much, all of the rec’d programs appear on the list of 30.</p>

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<p>At the present time, if D had to make an app list today (which thankfully she doesn’t) she’d simply take off the schools where location is a no go, and add schools where location is a serious plus.</p>

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<p>My D has thought about making a thread/post on sdn. One of her few.</p>

<p>I have suggested the following:</p>

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<p>Thoughts?</p>

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<p>I think “pimple popper, MD” is the term that term that most future dermatologists like to be called ;)</p>

<p>Not interested in derm but glad my school is on the list of 30 best anyway :)</p>

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<p>Yuck . Double yuck.</p>

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<p>And she let you live?</p>

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<p>I will sleep with my fighting knife tonight. :wink: lol</p>

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<p>Wouldn’t the best patients/training for dermatology be in the hottest climates and/or nearer to beach cities?</p>

<p>Assuming the Penn guys know the local lingo, that posting should go well.</p>

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<p>Was just checking out this thread, as I am currently a 4th year going into neurology. Just as a heads-up, I would recommend that anyone going into neuro/derm/anesthesia/rad onc/ophtho apply to SEVERAL prelims/transitional years. What is nice for neuro is that, because it is more of an IM-like field, many neuro programs offer prelim spots even if it is an advanced program. This is also nice because neuro residents can’t do a transitional year, and it has to be a prelim. However, because of these fields listed above, the prelim and TY programs are EXTREMELY competitive, which I did not know before the application process. So make sure to get a good number of prelims/TY’s on your list!</p>

<p>Also, as an FYI, the difference between prelims and TY’s (which I also didn’t know) is that prelim years seem to, as a consensus, be more intense and more medicine. TY’s involve 4 months of surgery among other rotations that are otherwise similar to the prelim year. Hope this is helpful! Match day for me is <9 weeks from today!</p>

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<p>AA. What is several? 10? 20?</p>

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<p>Curm – I have a friend applying to derm. She’s an excellent student from a top school and (since she is one of my favorite people in the world) I assume she has excellent evaluations. Combining her intern year (prelim/transitional) and derm applications, she is applying to 92 places.</p>

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<p>Because many neuro programs have guaranteed prelims, I applied to about 6 additional programs. Besides rad onc, I don’t think the other specialties have many programs that guarantee a prelim/TY. So I would suggest applying to at least 15 for other specialties. I actually had to turn down a prelim interview because only 4 dates were offered, and I had neuro interviews for each of those dates. So I would apply to many to account for the fact that, even if you are offered interviews at each prelim, travel/other interviews will keep you from going to several interviews. Just remember that it would be terrible to match in a derm program and not get a prelim/TY.</p>

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<p>What happens if you match into a residency but not into a prelim/TY. Do you just apply to one through SOAP?</p>