<p>Well, true, but then you see how much time an applicant put in practicing and practicing to reduce mistakes.</p>
<p>If you scored at least a 1900-2100 in your first practice test without ANY prep, I think you can assume that practice will get you a 2350+</p>
<p>Yeah, I know someone who missed a total of 4 questions in January, put him/her in the 2200’s. Harsh.</p>
<p>Just so you know OP, I am also applying to Wharton.
Good luck! want to PM me your stats? I will be glad to give you mine.</p>
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<p>No, I explicitly said that this was not the case.</p>
<p>take it from a Wharton rising sophomore:</p>
<p>1) SATs really aren’t that big of a deal. If you look far enough back on this board (10 months or so…) there was a kid who got into M&T with a 20–. White, unhooked.
2) The first time I took the SATs (January), I got a 700 math, 730 reading, and 780 writing. I really, really didn’t want to retake the SATs, but I was applying to Huntsman and my College Counselor said “I should really have over a 750” for that…I retook it and ended up getting lower on the math and 100 points lower on writing (and an 800 on reading??) because I didn’t want to be there.
And I think I only got a 730 on Math II.
3) I had no business experience whatsoever. In fact, my main extracurricular was photojournalism so…just saying.</p>
<p>And look, I got into Wharton! Really, don’t waste the time on retaking the SATs. It’s such a waste of money.</p>
<p>Seriously, just forget about stats at this point. Once you’re at a certain level, they look at the qualitative things. Plus, as I always say, it’s really kind of like a lottery. That’s why I have such a problem with chance threads…anyway.</p>
<p>tl;dr
Do NOT retake the SATs!</p>
<p>If you are Asian, have no hook, and your Math + CR is less than 1500, I would be worried.</p>
<p>^^^^^
Be worried period. I mean this is an ivy league school…no one is a guarenteed admit at Penn. However, you should know that if you do not get in, it was not because of your SAT. A 2340 is more than enough for Penn (or any other school in the USA).</p>
<p>I have a 800M, 720CR, and a 670W (bombed writing, close to full MC, essay screwed me over). That puts me at 1520 M+CR. I am retaking for a 760+W and a score close to 2300 however it is my 4th attempt. Does Wharton really care about Writing enough that I should take the test for a 4th time in an attempt to get 2300 (760+ Writing)?</p>
<p>Just so you know, I am Indian and an international, I have some business related ECs and a lot of leadership.</p>
<p>SATs really don’t matter ALL that much. I got into Wharton ED with a 2160 – and a 660 on the math section. I think they look much more at your personal traits. Focus on your essays and a few strong extracurriculars.</p>
<p>I did make up that SAT math score with a 750 on Math II tho.</p>
<p>^^ I thought you had a 770M, 670W, 720CR breakdown? I’ve seen enough of your threads to remember it lol.</p>
<p>No hes right about his stats (at least according to the results threads). However, he is also latino…umm so I think affirmative action may have swept him into Wharton. Not to sound like a jerk, but I think that you should have clarified your hooks Abivin as you knew the OP was hookless.</p>
<p>You’re right RTgrove, but i did apply as a white (both my parents are american), but told Penn i just considered myself culturally Latino. I suppose that’s an ok hook. I managed to capitalize on it with strong culture-related essays. If I’m not mistaken, this applicant is Asian, so he could try something similar.</p>
<p>Gottcha…thx for clarifying.</p>
<p>hey guys
what about GPA??
what is the realistic GPA range for an unhooked applicant?
there’s a rumor that you basically need a 4.0
:?</p>
<p>You don’t need a 4.0. You do need to be in AT LEAST the top 10% of ur class tho.</p>
<p>You’re achievements relative to your class is also very important, not just your GPA. I go to a very competitive public school that sends around thirty to forty students to ivies or MIT, Caltech, and Stanford each year. We also probably send over 80 students to other top schools such as Duke, Johns Hopkins, Wash U, Vanderbilt, UChicago, Northwestern, Georgetown (A lot of kids chose those schools this year), etc. However, in my grade, there is no student who has taken all of the highest level classes (we have a very systematic level system) who has a 4.0. We don’t have official rankings, but we generally use weighted GPA and it is very possible for someone to have taken all the highest levels with a 3.5 unweighted to be comfortably in the top 10% of the class. Schools all have different grading systems, and colleges know this.</p>
<p>yes but what about normal public schools? what then?</p>
<p>bumpeedddddddddddddd</p>
<p>Typical public schools aren’t as competitive as prep schools. Don’t worry about the number GPA wise, worry about your percentile rank in the class.</p>
<p>my school doesnt rank though
so what GPA would be a good indicator?</p>