<p>Consider UT-Austin...if you're interested in business, your test scores will certainly get you into the College of Liberal Arts...and then if you can hold a good GPA for a year or two at UT, you can transfer into McCombs and get one of the best business degrees around.</p>
<p>yea i was considering UT austin doing economics or biology then transferring into UT mccombs but i was wondering at any out of state shots i dont wnan stay to close to home maybe rice but thats it</p>
<p>haha i know what you mean! well, your GPA really is the killer, like everyone keeps saying. If you really want to go to a great school (top 20 or so), by all means try now, but you may want to go to a less competitive school (maybe BU, NYU - although NYU may be a borderline reach) and then holding a good GPA and transferring out. </p>
<p>As of now, I agree with many others on here. I don't think your SAT scores (although exceptional) can make up for your GPA at this point.</p>
<p>High GPA's at most secondary schools schools can be obtained by intelligent plodders, whereas only a high stakes test like an SAT exam can actually objectively demonstrate high levels of intellectual firepower, the type useful in certain professions. </p>
<p>The candidate faces nearly all bad choices in regards to the top 20 due to his (relatively) low GPA, so he should opt for the least worst choice, and that would mean an undergrad college that prides itself on its feeds into top law schools, medical schools, and grad schools - and it can be Amherst or a similar college - the precise college is not important so long as its one of the more select ones</p>
<p>The candidate needs a binding ED card on the table with one of the better schools, and (for example assuming pre-med is his focus) if the admissions committee sees they got a binding ED candidate with a high probability of a high MCAT/high likelihood of medical school admissions -down the road in 4 yrs - that's a card he should play</p>
<p>He doesn't have much to lose really.</p>
<p>Telling him he looks like a "very strong candidate" for Amherst ED is <em>extremely</em> misleading, though. And there are many who would argue with your statement that SAT scores are an objective indicator of intellect. I'm guessing most elite admissions officers, SAT prep centers, tutors, poor people, people whose abilities lie outside the limited subjects tested, the majority of people who study for the SAT and take it multiple times and learn "test taking tricks"...would all highly disagree. Besides, Amherst courses are <em>rigorous</em>. No school wants a smart lazy kid. What's a smart lazy kid going to do for you or get out of Amherst?</p>
<p>fastMEd - By the way, it is not 400-500 2400's, it is exactly 283 or nearly 1.5 million</p>
<p>Sorry, typo - 283 out of NEARLY 1.5 million</p>
<p>The "strong candidate" for Amherst comment was in the context of a candidate holding a combination high score on the SAT and a GPA "slacker" record -looking to put in his best shot</p>
<p>The PC crowd now requires us to pretend that an SAT score over 2300 signifies nothing about general intellectual capacity, except maybe test taking ability</p>
<p>Right, in the Land of Oz</p>
<p>harvard and yale have a cutoff GPA for athletes, who typically are the lowest-ranking admitted students, and that is a 3.5 WEIGHTED. </p>
<p>EDIT: the OP has no chance anywhere in the top 20, even with his SAT's. how on earth is it possible for you guys to say that 4 hours on a saturday morning are going to put this guy ahead of thousands of kids who have had amazing high school careers both inside and outside of the classroom???? not a single A? give me a break, you'll be lucky to get into most state schools.</p>
<p>I think you guys are sort of confusing the discussion here, it isn't about whether or not he is smart, the OP obviously is, but whether or not he will be inclined to apply himself. There are plenty of really smart really lazy people that live and die in obscurity, and colleges don't want to be associated with those people.</p>
<p>you state he would "be lucky to get into most state schools."</p>
<p>He would be accepted at probably 95% of state schools</p>
<p>thanks for the advice, one more thing do u guys think i should apply to the top 20 schools or should i save my money? heheh ramses88 thinks not. But i have good ec's and pretty good essays/recommendations....</p>
<p>go ahead and apply, but your first sentence was "straight up slacker" and your EC's are scattered and unremarkable. when the only thing that stands out (a little) about your application is your SAT score, don't expect to get in.</p>
<p>EDIT:
I just noticed:
"..I don't have a single A [on my transcript]" -clueless07</p>
<p>You guys are crazy if you think this guy can get in to anything close to the top 20.</p>
<p>fastMED, check out the common data sets of colleges in the top 20. 2330 is in the top 25% there. And these are just admitted students. I agree that SATs aren't nearly as important as GPA, but 2330 is not as common in the admissions office as you're making it seem (also, keep iin mind that even though thousands make around that high, it's still a ridiculously small percentage). I like to rehash, however, that I agree with your basic analysis.</p>
<p>Definitely apply to schools such as Case Western Reserve, University of Rochester, Carnegie Mellon, and possibly Cornell. We're pretty much in the same boat.</p>
<p>Come on, Cornell if he has never even gotten an A on his transcript? Let's be realistic here...</p>
<p>well this year on my transcript all A"s if that makes a diffrence HEH :-)</p>
<p>for the semsester so i guess i wont use my ED/EA card anywhere and apply after the first semester...</p>
<p>7 A's and the rest are B's</p>
<p>You virtually have no shot at a top 100 school buddy. You've NEVER gotten an A in high school before and there are people on this site actually suggesting that you would get into Cornell or Rice??? GPA is the most important universal factor in college admissions and yours is horrendous beyond any repair. My advice is for you to work your *** off senior year and get mostly A's, write good essays, GET GOOD TEACHER RECS THAT SAY YOU AT LEAST SOMEWHAT CARE ABOUT SCHOOL(VERY IMPORTANT!!), and maybe just maybe you might get accepted to say Texas A&M. You can always transfer out once you're rolling in college.</p>
<p>evil i doubt you read my post i have auto admit into a&m and it is in the top 20 schools for engineering so although i appreciate your advice i suggest that before offering advice you please research thanks</p>
<p>you guys are horribly misleading, lol -- no chance at top 100 schools? are you kidding? </p>
<p>despite having no A's, he is in TOP 20-25% OF HIS CLASS. don't tell me that he doesn't care about school! GOOD STUDENTS can still get B's in AP courses, we're not all superhuman like the rest of CC... top quarter of his class + amazing SATs + okayish ECs</p>
<p>i'd say he stands a pretty good chance anywhere except for the ivy league schools + top 20ish...</p>