Reapplying.

<p>I applied to Exeter last year and was bitterly rejected. I was wondering how the reapplying process went.</p>

<li><p>Do I have to send my middle school grades again?</p></li>
<li><p>Do I have to take the SSAT again?</p></li>
<li><p>A community college accepted me after seeing my SAT scores. I am not taking any English or math courses right now (things like philosophy only), so what will I do with the recommendations?</p></li>
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<p>Thanks! </p>

<p>I am a Chinese girl in L.A. (I know, how typical.). I will turn fifteen in a few months.</p>

<p>what grade are you in?</p>

<p>We actually went through the re-application process after an experience not dissimilar to yours. The applicant, like you, was in an unusually competitive pool. After being rejected or waitlisted everywhere he applied, he went to a very good local private school, read Latin on his own and re-applied to SPS only for the Classical Honours scholarship which he got. He never looked back.</p>

<p>What lessons can you draw from our experience?
1. expect rejection and have a fall-back position. If you want to play in this league at all you must have the confidence to attribute your failure to get in to lamentable bad judgement on the school's part or to the fact that they genuinely had no money for you that year. Although you experienced the rejection letter from Exeter as 'bitter', read it carefully. Are they telling you, you didn't make the grade or that they didn't have money for you--they won't admit you if they can't afford you. There is no such thing as need-blind admission.</p>

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<li><p>If you didn't make the grade, ask yourself "was it my school performance in absolute terms or my performance relative to my chinese peers?" Chinese students are academically in perhaps the most competitive academic pool in the country and Exeter will receive applications from about every ambitious academically talented chinese kid in the country. Ask yourself, "what have I done to distinguish myself from the pack this year?" For example, did you go to mathcamp? did you learn latin? do you play the cello or viola in a reasonable orchestra? How much philosophy have you actually done? Tell them about this, distinguish yourself from the pack. </p></li>
<li><p>My experience for what it is worth is that you are playing very long odds. If it isn't "Exeter or bust", apply to a couple of peer schools ( yes, I know for true Exonian's like for true Paulies there are no peer schools "we are the best and if you don't believe us, just ask us") but in fact there are and some very good ones. If I were you, I would at the very least apply to Peddie. Also look at Loomis-chaffee, Lawrenceville, Choate. Academically these are schools in the first echelon but at the moment not as hot on CC as Exeter/Deerfield/St. Paul's and therefore on paper a bit less "competitive". Middlesex and Groton also are academically every bit as good as Exeter--in some respect-horribilis dictu--possibly even better but your odds as a chinese student of getting in probably just as low. </p></li>
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<p>Suggestion: One of the lesser know secrets of american education is that there is a whole echelon of VERY good schools that chinese students can apply to with a reasonable prospect for success. In your particular case, with your interest in philosphy why not take a look at St. Andrews/Sewanee? Not a school that instantly springs to mind but since you can take courses at Sewanee/The University of the South ( perhaps the finest --along with Davidson and Rhodes--liberal arts college in the South), you would get an unparalleled education in a splendid setting every bit as good as Exeter and opening just as many doors to a first rate undergraduate school. (Davidson/Rhodes/Sewanee would compare fine to the high end New England colleges like Williams and Smith which in their own right are just as good as HYP). At St. Andrews they may actually be looking for Chinese students like yourself to diversify their population a bit. Anyway, have a strategy. Don't throw basically the same application back into the pool because more likely than not the result would be exactly the same. </p>

<p>Good luck.</p>

<p>thank you.</p>

<p>my grades were quite satisfactory, actually. i do agree on that so many chinese students are very "smart" at schools, and that it is hard to stand out in that case.</p>

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If I were you, I would at the very least apply to Peddie. Also look at Loomis-chaffee, Lawrenceville, Choate.

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funnily enough, i applied to exeter, andover, choate, hotchkiss, deerfield, and peddie last year. got rejected or waitlisted at all of them. </p>

<p>the reason why i am only applying to andover and exeter this year is because my family has already made up its mind that i'm better off at the community college than at a less prestigious school.</p>

<p>to tell the truth, i didnt really want to apply this year. the rejection of last year has crushed me enough. but my mom kept on telling me there was nothign to lose.</p>

<p>anyone volunteering to answer the questions i asked on the top of this thread? thanks!</p>

<p>What were your SSAT scores?</p>

<p>Please see post #2. Would you please let us know what grade you are in? Why are you studying in the Community College instead of taking college-track high school courses? This part is not clear.</p>

<p>why do you call yourself 'hopeful_exonian if you do not really want to reapply? Anyway, the key message in my previous post was "have a strategy" If you don't have a strategy and don't really want to go, forget it. The pure mechanics of the process is no different for you than it would be for any other grade 10? applicant. As to prestige, if choate was good enough for president Kennedy it is probably good enough for you.</p>

<p>It's tough out there, but besides the Asian issue which you cannot do anything about, what else may have caused you to fall short? With that many schools and top grades, something caused all these schools concern. What was your SSAT score? How have you positioned yourself to be a more viable candidate? If you took the SAT are you currently a Soph? Junior? Lots of unanswered question.</p>

<p>yes, we really can't help you unless we know more!</p>

<p>(My son by the way just graduated in June from Exeter)</p>

<p>To answer your questions</p>

<ol>
<li><p>Yes, you do have to have your grades sent again. I would not assume that any school keeps the grades of past applicants for longer than 1 semester into a year. They'd be buried in paperwork otherwise. You also need to have this year's sent as well, so you may as well send them all.</p></li>
<li><p>I believe the answer to this one is possibly. Once again, I don't believe they keep scores too long and I know SSAT doesn't resend last years grades. If you did take the SAT, you can usually substitue those scores for the SSAT.</p></li>
<li><p>I would ask each school for recommendations for teachers who are not available. My daughter didn't have a guidance counselor, so the school said she could pick another teacher. YMMV</p></li>
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<p>Obviously, you are quite intellegent if you are taking community college courses in 9th or 10th grade (not sure, you didn't mention). </p>

<p>However, there are lots of very sharp kids whom that take into Exeter and Andover (and all the other schools you listed). And they turn down even more than they accept.</p>

<p>I think the answer to your rejection (please don't be bitter about it, life is too short) lies in the rest of the application. Perhaps your ECs were not well described, or maybe your interviews didn't go so well. </p>

<p>In any event, you seem to be resigned to going through this exercise again. There is still time to improve your application to where they might accept you this time. Please share more of your package with us. Perhaps we can help you with that.</p>

<p>As to the community college path. It isn't a bad way to go if that is how it turns out. I spent my senior year in HS taking 9 units a semester at a CC in LA as I had finished most of my requirements early (through various summer programs) and decided that taking freshman English (and a few other courses) was a better strategy than taking AP English at my local HS and risking a bad day at the test. I had a wonderful instructor who also lectured at UCLA.</p>

<p>Another thing to investigate for you if you happen to live in LA Unified Schools... My nephew got into a program where he basically was allowed to leave HS (in 9th grade), enroll at Cal State LA as a full time college student. He finished his degree before his 18th birthday and went onto other schools to finish his masters and PHD before age 22. I don't know if the program exists still (he finished his bachelors about 9 year ago), but it might be available still.</p>

<p>I hope this helps.</p>

<p><em>i am *supposed</em> to be in 9th grade this year
*i am in community college, taking nine units
*my ssat score was 96% (not percentile, 96% was when i averaged my three scores together)
*i took my SAT shortly after being rejected. i got 2010ish- 700 math, 720 writing, 590 verbal.
*my interviews went well, but i think i didn't get in because:
1. most of my extra credits, i didn't continue for a long time. (usually because of moving so much, but this couldn't be included in the app, of course.)
2. i was homeschooled for middle school. <- pretty much self explanatory</p>

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As to prestige, if choate was good enough for president Kennedy it is probably good enough for you.

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<p>dont get me wrong. i am not saying choate isn't good enough. i'm not good enough for choate, considering i was waitlisted last year.</p>

<p>i didnt want to apply to exeter or andover or anyother school this year. not that im happy where i am. i dont want to get through the pain of rejection again, that's what it is.</p>

<p>but since i am, i think i'll consider applying to choate, too.</p>

<p>If you don't want to go through the pain of rejection again you should apply to schools where you have a reasonable chance of getting in rather than just play the admissions lottery at Exeter one more time. You have told enough about yourself to make clear that you need safeties and a strategy in case you need Financial Aid. As goaliedad never tires of saying , there is a whole range of schools out there which for you are every bit as good as Exeter and that you are almost certain to get into. Bear up--Americans believe in green lights. Just don't go up and down the scales about whether you want to apply or not.</p>

<p>You shouldn't feel bad about getting rejected. Hundreds, if not thousands of kids around the world get rejected from schools like Exeter, Andover, Groton, Deerfield, Choate, SPS, etc. Just be proud that you tried.</p>

<p>Just a question, does everyone on CC score like a 95-99 percentile on the SSAT?
I read the median score a govenor Drummer Academy is 65, where are the people who score that low?</p>

<p>I agree with Paleozoic -- you need to broaden your search. Did you ever look at boarding schools in California? Some of them sound wonderful. The fact that you are not on a standard high school path could be problematic to some schools. I never visited Northfield Mount Hermon, but at least on paper and by reputation, they are a little unconventional. You might look into that school. You should broaden your search. I'm sure there are schools out there that would love to have someone like you. Look for schools that would view your high SSAT and SAT scores as a plus, and would place you among the top 20% of admitted applicants. You are more likely to gain admission and financial aid in that scenario.</p>

<p>I'm going to back up this boat for a second. We've got a decent feel for your background.</p>

<p>I'm trying to figure out your objectives. </p>

<ul>
<li>You are 9th grade age and are attending CC as part of homeschooling.</li>
<li>You could easily continue at CC and transfer into a quality school in LA (perhaps UCLA?) in a year or two if your grades are good as you are rather unusual (young and able to handle college work) and that always helps keep an application on top of the stack.</li>
<li>However you want to attend a prestigous boarding school instead of continuing on this course.</li>
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<p>I am guessing that with your academic achievement that you are aiming higher than UCLA (not a bad school itself) for your undergrad work.</p>

<p>I am also guessing that you feel like you are missing a bit of your youth by going directly to CC with adult students and not your peers.</p>

<p>I get the feeling that your parents have chosen your current path because the nearby public and private school offerings are well behind you academically and you would just sit there and stagnate. </p>

<p>They are allowing you to apply to Andover/Exeter because it brings a good probability for HYPSM admission, an honor which they see as a marked improvement over what you can get on your current path.</p>

<p>Now, lets compare last year to this year.</p>

<p>Last year, you were a homeschooled 8th grader who had pretty good SSAT scores, but not much else to measure you on. I am assuming here that you didn't have "teachers" to give you recommendations. Grading on homeschooled students is very difficult for prep schools to measure. And like you said, you didn't have much in the way of ECs because you were moving a lot. Quite frankly, there wasn't much for the schools to latch onto there and get a feel for how good of a student you are.</p>

<p>Now contrast that with this year. You are at a CC doing college level work (hopefully getting A's). You are working in a mature adult environment, something most high schoolers cannot say. You will have college instructors to write your letters of recommendation, not high school teachers. You have SAT scores that are reasonably close to the averages for Seniors at Andover/Exeter. This is a huge difference. You still have over 3 years to improve those scores still.</p>

<p>Yes, you still don't seem to have ECs. I'm not sure enough about the details of how you spend your spare time (time not studying), but I'm sure there is a story someplace. Do you work in a family business or get to travel (you mentioned that your family has moved a bit)? ECs are not all about leadership and social interaction or athletic ability. They are about things you have done that make you a more interesting person and more passionate about achieveing different goals. They represent different experiences you can bring to the student body.</p>

<p>Quite frankly, I like your odds of getting into Andover/Exeter better than many of your Chinese 4.0 GPA 98th percentile public school peers who were in upteen different clubs. Why? Because you are NOT the stereotypical Chinese student you mentioned in your first post. Yes, I'm sure you identify culturally with those other Chinese students, but you have taken a path much less travelled and have a demonstrably more mature view of life from living in the adult world of CC.</p>

<p>The first thing you need to do is realize that you have a MUCH more presentable package this year than last year's (which through no fault of your own was rather weak in evidence). You've got to get past that "bitter" rejection and realize that they really had no idea who you were and who you are now.</p>

<p>You also need to make the most of that CC opportunity. Start going to you instructor's office hours and find a reason to ask questions and discuss topics further. You will need those instructors' recommendations in a few months. If you come across as a bright inquisitive student, that is what will find its way into your recommendations. </p>

<p>I would also recommend retaking the SAT if you possibly can. Of course, a prep course (especially on the verbal side) would also help this cause. Most people improve their SAT scores in the 6 months between sittings.</p>

<p>I guarantee that they will not ignore your application with these unusual credentials. You will need to be equally bold in your interview.</p>

<p>You've got to let them know that you are there for at least an equivalent academic experience and want to take advantage (and are more than capapble) of the top opportunities in your favorite field of study, but are looking more for the other parts of being a student in a high achieving school. You are looking for those things missing in your home schooling environment and look forward to being a very active part of that type of community. </p>

<p>The key thing here is confidence in how you approach things. </p>

<p>No more
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I am a Chinese girl in L.A. (I know, how typical.).

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You are unique and are experienced way beyond the typical applicant.</p>

<p>As of a few years ago, the average SSAT for Exeter was 90%. Deerfield (85%), Andover (88%), SPS (85%), Hotchkiss (85%), and Choate (85%) were a little bit lower. I'm not sure what they are now, (My data is about 3 years old) but they probably aren't too much different. </p>

<p>My son is a senior at Exeter. When he was considering going to prep school, he took the SSAT early in September which was administered by a consultant. It was one of the smartest things we did during the process. Although he attended a very competitive public high school (average SAT of 1200), he had no idea how he would do on the test. He did very well on the test (99 percentile; 1045/1050)) so he knew he could apply to any of the top schools and be seriously considered. Whenever a parent asks me about prep school admissions, I always recommend that the son or daughter take the test as soon as possible so they know what schools they should consider.</p>

<p>wow, goaliedad. i think i'm in love with you now. ;)</p>

<p>as for considering UCLA, i would LOVE to go there. but the thing is, we were afraid they might say no because i dont have a highschool diploma. (harvard said no way and stanford said maybe). that is the path i will definitely take (if i can) if i dont get into the boarding school. </p>

<p>you gave me lots of courage. i will definitely go for it. :)</p>

<p>for extra credit...well, here's something.</p>

<ul>
<li>i tutor at my parents' learning center. i tutor five students at the moment (have done it since end of 7th grade or so) in subjects such as math and english. right now, i tutor approximately twelve hours a week. (i could not say much about this last year because then, i tutored only two)</li>
<li>i never took a course in this, but i do some graphic designing. i have designed various fliers and newsletters, but they were all for my parents' workplace.</li>
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<p>thanks =)</p>