<p>I have one child at UNC who should graduate next spring and another who soon will be applying. My second child does not have super high stats, and I'm wondering if he has a chance. I've checked the stats profile, but so many of those listings are from students with near perfect scores. I would like to know scores (SAT/ACT) and class ranks from some of you newly admitted in-state students who weren't at the very top of your class. Many thanks!</p>
<p>Since no one else is helping you out, I guess I will.</p>
<p>I had about a 3.5 UW/4.2W GPA. I was in the top 20 percent of my class. Like 105/550. But I did get a 1430/1600 on the SAT. I was involved with my church a lot, which gave me a lot of community service. I went on two mission trips, one internationally. I wrote my essay on the international mission trip. I go to a competitive high school who sends sends like 25+ kids to UNC each year, many more get in. </p>
<p>Hope it helped and good luck to your son.</p>
<p>Thanks for the reply, Ready. You got a perfect score on your SAT? Am I understanding that correctly? That's terrific! I hope you have a wonderful experience at Carolina. It's a special place.</p>
<p>My D is in state. She has a bit of a lower SAT. She has a higher gpa/qpa, goes to a VERY competitive public school, completed 9 AP courses successfully, is an AP scholar (4's and 5's on her AP exams), was extra curricular up the wazzoo.....and is focused....not a smattering of different things....but we had NO legacy. To her discredit, she failed to apply non binding early admission, which in state is a no-no....Carolina reads that as a student putting THEM on the waitlist of colleges.....and the expected result happened, she got waitlisted. LOL. NO harm no foul as she had little interest in going there....as evidenced by her regular decision application in early January. Its too big, too liberal, and there are just too many Carolina graduates running around looking for jobs. (Not to say your kids wont love it and do very well and find good jobs).</p>
<p>My point is that legacy counts BIG TIME at Carolina. They also have specific quotas for various schools and counties.</p>
<p>I was admitted to UNC and will be a freshman this fall. I had a 3.4/4.1 gpa - I took mostly honors and AP courses throughout high school. I did well in all of my english and history courses but recieved mostly B's and C's in all of my science and math courses. I had a 1300 SAT (590 math, 710 verbal). I was an AP scholar as i did well on all of my AP exams. In terms of extracurriculars worth mentioning, I was editor of my high school's newspaper and a major part of Youth Legislature - a big club at my school.<br>
Basicly my downfalls were that academically i am not high at all and i never participated in any sports really. However, I did take tough courses and the activities I did participate in, i stood out leadership wise.<br>
Another big thing is that my school is very small (about 45 in graduating class) but it has a very good reputation with UNC. Students applying who probably woudn't get in had they applied from another school, get in because of the school they go to. Every single student in my class who applied early action got in (14 students total). So if your school has a good reputation with UNC it helps and it REALLY helps if you apply early action</p>
<p>Haha, no it was a 1430 out of 1600 (1430/1600)...that would have been awesome though. I took 6 AP classes total.</p>
<p>friedokra: Legacy plays a bigger role if you're OOS; not sure it makes as much of a difference in-state. Here's the quote from the admissions page on the UNC site:</p>
<p>"Is it an advantage to be the child of an alumnus?</p>
<p>Because we maintain close ties with our alumni and value their commitment to the University, we do ask about alumni ties on our application. If your mother, father, step-father, or step-mother attended Carolina, your family ties to University may be used in our final admission decision.
For North Carolina residents, such ties are most often used to distinguish among candidates with similar academic records -- in other words, they may be a tie-breaker. Since the number of alumni within the state is considerable, giving a significant advantage to their in-state children wouldn't be fair to other North Carolina taxpayers.
For alumni children from out of state, this factor plays a more significant role. These students will have a slight competitive edge over students from out of state who are not children of alumni."</p>
<p>Also, I honestly don't believe they have "specific quotas for various schools and counties." I've heard the admissions director speak about this, and he categorically states they do not have quotas like this.</p>
<p>Here's an article written in 2005, where Stephen Farmer (Director of Admissions) comments on this (see middle of page, "Who are these kids: A profile of the Incoming Class.") This is a profile of Class of 2009.<br>
<a href="http://gazette.unc.edu/archives/05oct05/morestories.html%5B/url%5D">http://gazette.unc.edu/archives/05oct05/morestories.html</a> In part, Farmer states:</p>
<p>"In terms of geography, students came from 99 of North Carolina’s 100 counties, 36 states and 22 countries.</p>
<p>When reviewing this profile of the incoming class with trustees, Farmer was asked which of the 100 counties was not represented.</p>
<p>The answer is Hyde County, Farmer said.</p>
<p>Three students had applied from Hyde, and one was admitted who chose to enroll elsewhere.</p>
<p>Farmer said that is why he planned to visit four prospective students from Hyde County in the next week.</p>
<p>“We don’t have quotas, but we want to see as broad a representation of students as we can,” he told trustees."</p>
<p>Also, do you have any supporting evidence (statistics) regarding your comment, " . . . there are just too many Carolina graduates running around looking for jobs." I'd be interested in seeing the data on that.</p>
<p>Finally, your comment that Carolina is " . . . too big, too liberal, and there are just too many Carolina graduates running around looking for jobs" suggests that you really don't like Carolina at all, nor (obviously) does your daughter. So . . . why the sour grapes on all these threads here?</p>
<p>Is there an admissions advantage if a child's sibling attends or attended Carolina? No legacy (parent/grandparent), per se.</p>
<p>One thing that is obvious about the majority of the students at Carolina is that they respect diversity and are tolerant of others' views. If you are intolerant and judgmental you wouldn't be happy at Carolina. I don't view this as being liberal; these simply are qualities of good people.</p>
<p>Being tolerant is not a liberal issue. But Carolina is DEFINITELY a liberal school. Conservatives are very much in the minority. And being conservative is not "being judgemntal an intolerant", if that is what you meant nosy mom. That is a typical liberal view of conservatives however.</p>
<p>Carolina DOES have a reputation of being a little bit stuck up and arrogant. Ask the kids who go to other Carolina schools what they think of UNC. </p>
<p>Whatever.</p>
<p>If it makes you happy to send both your kids to Carolina, fine with me. Their admissions people will look very favorably on the fact you had one kid there already. </p>
<p>I know one family with a bright kid who got in two years ago and a second kid who is a party animal, a slacker and all around goofball....he got in this year. And that family is 100% yellow dog democrat. Go figure.</p>
<p>The second kids stats were awful. He dropped some AP classes because they were "too hard".</p>
<p>But admissions is a game, and we all know that.</p>
<p>friedokra: Based on your comments on the other thread, mabe the "party animal, slacker, and all around goof-ball" will find attending UNC a "life-changing experience." After all, it was you who stated that universities could do more for the "muddled middle," as well as those who just "get in by their fingernails." So, hopefully, Carolina will be "life-changing" for the "goofball" with the "awful stats." (Oh, and your descriptions above aren't the least bit "intolerant" or "judgemental.") :rolleyes:</p>
<p>Oh jack...I am very tolerant. I dont want to get into the "facts" about the person I was describing....that would be impolite and unhealthy. But trust me when I say, without being judgmental, but factual, that there are issues with this kid. Using the terminology "goofball" was being generous. But you dont know this kid. I do. Whatever.</p>
<p>I am not sour grapes, just perplexed. While I encourage a more egalitarian admissions standard, I do ponder when kids get in who have poor grades. And that person has a sibling at Carolina, so perhaps that is what weighed in on their decision.</p>
<p>Yes, my daughter had little interest in Carolina and perhaps that was clear to them in reading the tea leaves of her application. We made her apply because its an excellent value for education in state.</p>
<p>Yes, college can be life changing for anyone and everyone at any school. I am not suggesting otherwise. </p>
<p>As for stats on too many Carolina kids running around, I am just offering my opinion based on information I have that a large percentage of Carolina graduates (how many do they graduate every year from the undergraduate school? 4,000 or so?) remain in state when looking for jobs. Makes job hunting very competitive for Carolina grads. Nothing wrong with being one. Its a great school. But lots of kids would rather be a graduate of a smaller school. How many people who live in NC are Carolina graduates? Do you know? I would be curious to know that number.</p>
<p>And having an opinion does not make one judgmental or intolerant. I am sure you are quite tolerant of opinions different than yours. :-></p>
<p>And finally, to every kid going to college this fall: I wish them all the best, a superb experience no matter where they are attending college....a safe, sober, and life changing experience. If you got into Carolina, congrats and good luck!</p>
<p>My daughter applied to FSU and UNC Chapel Hill. We live in Washington state, but are FL residents (Navy family).</p>
<p>My daughter is doing a double major in East Asian Studies and International Affairs.</p>
<p>She was admitted to UNC/CH as an out of state student and was very excited about it, but the school is just too far from home. Our family is transferring to Tampa this summer and FSU is so much closer (plus dad went there) that it was too good to pass up.</p>
<p>UNC has it over FSU academically to some extent, but you can't beat being close to mom and dad. </p>
<p>I'm not sure of the difference between transfer and first year freshman entrance requirements, but my daughter's stats are:</p>
<p>1) skipped senior yr of HS to start college
2) has 44 credits under her belt with a 3.8 average and PTKappa
3) SAT was above 1300,
4) HS wGPA was 3.9
5) took all honors/gifted courses from 8th grade on. Several APs as well</p>
<p>She really didn't have any EC's to speak of except volunteering for the DNC and Habitat for Humanity on occasion.</p>
<p>Hope that helps.</p>
<p>I'm going to UNC in the fall as an in-state student, and I was not at the top of my class (not in the top 10%). I applied early and was accepted. I was ranked #52 out of 380 students, and my SAT was 1440 on the old scale, 2170 on the new (690 M, 750 CR, 730 W). My GPA was 3.7 UW/4.6 weighted. Then there's all those other myriad details admissions takes into account...extracurriculars, optional SAT subject tests, essays, AP scores. There are a million ways to flesh out the usual class rank/GPA/SAT mix that can make getting into UNC as an in-state student easier, despite the increasing competition. UNC really takes a holistic approach to admissions, unlike many large state schools, and anyone who is without a perfect class rank or standardized test score should definitely take advantage of that! Some might think that it's things like legacy or county residency that count--I'm pretty sure that it's showing enthusiasm as an applicant and displaying an appealing personality beyond the numbers.</p>
<p>Good luck in the application process :)</p>
<p>"I'm pretty sure that it's showing enthusiasm as an applicant and displaying an appealing personality beyond the numbers."</p>
<p>It's definitely true! My stats were similar to juliet's last year, and in my original graduating class I was something like 127/330. (Transferring to a school that didn't report class rank because there were only 42 in our class might've helped a bit.) </p>
<p>What I did have that made me stand out was a strong commitment to community service (something like 50 hours the semester I applied) and the determination that my essay was my chance to let them know who I was. On my application, anyway, we were given a couple of prompts, and told that if we had an essay (for another college or a scholarship) that we thought represented us better, we could use that essay instead. I picked an essay that represented me as I am and not what I thought UNC wanted to hear, and well, I'm proud to say I now bleed Carolina blue ;)</p>