Recommendation Etiquette?

<p>thanks for the advice everyone!</p>

<p>since the consensus is that it's more important to find a teacher that can comment on your in class performance, what do you think of my choice of asking my AP Stats/Math team advisor. I have had her for pre cal in 10th and am self-studing with her for AP stats, because my schedule won't let me take her ap stats class. The mean reason I am chosing her is because she has been my math team coach for the last 3 years and will comment on my math abilities/excellence, plus she can comment on my determination and willingness to adapt (self study).</p>

<p>However, because my application will already show 800SAT Math, 800 SATII Math IIC, 7 on AIME, and Math team co-captain, do you guys think it would be better to ask my AP cal/AP physics teacher instead? I have had him for 3 years, but I don't think he knows me much outside of the class room. I am sure he will write me a good letter, but I don't know if it will be great because I'm afraid he only knows me as the "really smart asian kid."</p>

<p>Which math teacher should I ask? or in other words, which teacher would you ask if you were me?</p>

<p>BTW, my other recommender is prolly my Spanish teacher cause i've had her for 3 years as well and i'm really active/participating in her classes.</p>

<p>At our school we are asked to give a brag sheet stating academic and extracurricular achievments. HOWEVER, we are also asked to "jog" their memory about times within their class that shows an insight to how our mind works and what kind of person we are. I would only worry about the rec being bad not being "good" enough. Some friends of mine go to schools where the students basically write the rec. Naturally, unless you go to a school that has no toleration for BS (NYC elites, Andover, Exter, etc.) a rec that's too glowing may look as if you wrote it and won't be the reason that an adcom will choose you. However, a weak or lukewarm rec can hurt especially the former. Theoretically recs could be one of the best and most informative places of an app, however, teachers nearly always want to see their kids go places as someone said before.</p>

<p>dizzy, I'd ask the math teacher if I were you-- even though you have a lot of math stats on your app, that teacher will probably be able to write a really detailed rec that actually gives an idea of you as a person, having seen you over the years and outside the classroom as well.</p>

<p>OK. Let me give some examples to make myself clear.</p>

<p>Example 1: Standard strong rec</p>

<p>I'd like to recommend David Echols to your school. I was David's AP economics teacher and coach of his Federal Reserve Challenge team this year.</p>

<p>David is a strong student with a GPA of 4.47, including an "A" in my class and a "5" on his AP Econ exam. His SAT scores of 1375 were among the highest at our school this year. That is quite an accomplishment, since our school consistently turns out twice as many National Merit Scholars as the average high school.</p>

<p>David is very active in National Honor Society, Chess Club, and our top choir, the "Songbirds." He volunteers weekly at the Humane Society, and has been volunteering there since he was nine years old. </p>

<p>David was an integral part of our Federal Reserve Challenge team, working very hard to master the concepts. Our team was one of only seven finalists in the nation, going to Washington, DC to meet Mr. Bernanke and represent the Federal Reserve bank in our district.</p>

<p>I highly recommend David. He would be an asset to any school.</p>

<p>Sincerely,</p>

<p>Not a bad letter, huh? Standard strong is the term for it. Now, let's look at a difference making letter.</p>

<p>Letter 2: Difference maker</p>

<p>I'd like to recommend David Echols to your school. I was David's AP economics teacher and coach of his Federal Reserve Challenge team this year.</p>

<p>I first met David when he showed up at my office door asking if he could take AP Econ as an independent study course. I thought it was a bad idea, since I didn't see how he could keep up with the class that way. I also thought he was just one more laurel grubber, the kind that abound at our school, trying to fit another impressive class on his transcript for admission to an elite college. </p>

<p>I reluctantly gave my consent.</p>

<p>David proved me as wrong as I've ever been. As I came to know him, I realized that this young man has a burning passion to understand. My sessions with him became the highlights of my year. David asks the important questions; the questions involving intricate layers of cause and effect. I can truly say that I learned as much from him as he did from me, and not because of the subject matter knowledge he had at the time. The fact is, his questions were so complex and so interesting that I had to be a near full-time student myself to keep up with him.</p>

<p>Our Federal Reserve Challenge team was one of seven national finalists for the first time this year. We couldn't have done it without David. I admit that I was worried about putting him on the team with kids who hadn't seen him in class. David quickly dispelled my fears by not only quickly fitting in, but also by becoming the de facto team leader within a week or so. He was always looking for a new angle with which to view a problem, and bringing it up to the team. Without this rigor, I'm quite sure we would have succumbed to the quirky questions the economists at the Bank commonly use to trip students up.</p>

<p>Actually, that's an understatement. Let me be clear. When the quirky questions came, it was David who answered them; David who thought with stunning clarity on his feet; and David who answered the questions with such humilty that I had an economist come up to me after the regionals and tell me that he had never seen such grace and poise under pressure.</p>

<p>Finally, I like David. Everyone likes David. The faculty members here who have had him in class tell me that their classes are made much better just by his presence. The kids like him, too. That's rare for someone of David's ability.</p>

<p>Good luck landing him.</p>

<p>Sincerely,</p>

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I have to tell you, the way I know that a high school teacher will write a standard strong letter is if they hand one of my children a "brag sheet" and asks them to fill out information that's already going to be on the app.

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<p>Seems hard to figure this out in deciding a teacher since you wouldn't know that the teacher gives brag sheets until you asked her already. :-/</p>

<p>Tarhunt, did you just make up those recs or are they on the internet? I agree the second one's a lot stronger because it highlights his intellect and personality. I think to get more letters like the second one you can't ask a teacher who writes a 100 recs, that's too much unless you are seriously one of the best students that the teacher feels passionate about you. Also, you have to be pretty outstanding.</p>

<p>I highly doubt she made it up...it sounds too much like something that a real teacher already said.</p>

<p>& yeah, the second one sounds real powerful</p>

<p>but Good Luck Landing him? I have no clue what that means but I supposed its good since the whole rec is good</p>

<p>TH, the first one says exactly what I said I would not want a teacher to do in my previous posts.
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I didn't mean the rec writer should list off or talk about those specific things

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<p>haha, the last line of the second one... ahh.</p>

<p>In answer, I just made those examples up, but my point is that the second one was done with absolutely no knowledge of the kid other than what I would have observed as a teacher and coach. No need to know anything about the kid that I didn't already know. I can guarantee you that the second letter would help the kid, and the first wouldn't.</p>

<p>As for asking a teacher to write 100 recs like that, you're right Fred. It's not going to happen. And this brings me to another point: If you're NOT outstanding in some way, don't expect a rec to help you. Sorry. That's just the way it is.</p>