Recording Engineer: career path

<p>I'm currently a junior in high school and I'm considering studying Recording Technology in college. Music is a big part of my life and I would love to have a career in the field.</p>

<p>Unfortunately my parents have doubts about this and think that a Recording Engineer will not be able to "pay the bills"</p>

<p>I have seen this in many forums as well due to the major increase in free music downloads. </p>

<p>Currently I'm doing well in Physics and I'm going into APC next year. My parents want me to consider majoring in Physics or Engineering instead of my desired field.</p>

<p>So I guess the question is...
Would it be better to go with one of those choices, or pursue my education in Recording?
Would I be able to make a living as a Recording Engineer?</p>

<p>help is appreciated.</p>

<p>You could do both. I’m in sort of the same boat and my plan right now is to plan on dual majoring in EE/CS and Music Technology. I know I’ll get into most engineering schools due to my grades/extracurriculars, but the best music tech programs are ridiculously selective, so my backup would be just doing the engineering degree then pursuing a Masters in audio engineering.</p>

<p>But my career goals might be slightly different from yours. I’d love work in a recording studio but I’m also very interested in working designing audio for a company like Shure, Digitech, etc.</p>

<p>thats true. I’ll take that into consideration. thanks.</p>

<p>does it matter that i’m not really experienced in Electronics or Computer Science?
also what schools are you considering that offer both?</p>

<p>Well clearly you’re good at physics which bodes well for EE. Not sure about CS because I don’t have much experience as well. I’ve taken a 3D design class and will take basic programming next year, and that’s about it.</p>

<p>The schools I’m considering are IU Bloomington, Michigan, USC and Miami. I’m sure there are other programs as well; those are just ones I’ve looked at so far.</p>

<p>Carnegie Mellon has a program in which a student takes both Engineering and Music classes for a degree in Music Technology (I think that’s what they call it). You might want to check their program out.</p>

<p>Randomusername1 - Here’s a conversation you might want to have with your parents. </p>

<p>University undergraduate degrees are typically far too expensive and the outcome far too unpredictable to treat as “strictly vocational training.” What you learn in most university settings/undergraduate degrees is how to learn; how to solve problems; how to collate, interpret/analyze data and situations and respond to same. At the same time, you learn how to conduct yourself and interact with peers.</p>

<p>Most employers are not highly concerned with what your undergrad major is/was unless you’re seeking a specific, STEM-related career such as engineering, in which case there is not the necessity of grad school to successfully enter the marketplace.</p>

<p>Your university experience is at the same time an investment in both the present and future intrinsic quality of your life. You have to live inside your head the rest of your life! </p>

<p>In your case, since you love music, why on earth would your parents begrudge you the opportunity to pursue both A) a STEM major with an ENG degree and B) a specialized major in a field you love that also provides/hones highly transferable skills (students in music technology develop an exponential facility in software, hardware trouble shooting, etc.).</p>

<p>Your strength in physics and love of music give you a perfect opportunity to combine your education in a way that meets both goals (skill training and intrinsic quality of life) via a dual degree – so in essence, the price of one more year.</p>

<p>Rokr93 gave you a great list of places to look at for dual degree.
We are most specifically familiar with University of Michigan, which has a very competitive “ENG” stream of its PAT (Performing Arts Technology) program (accepts 4 students a year.) If you’d like to investigate, check it out at [UM</a> School of Music, Theatre & Dance](<a href=“http://www.music.umich.edu%5DUM”>http://www.music.umich.edu) and look under Performing Arts Technology Curriculum D.</p>

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<li>On another note, some exposure to computer science is preferable in the case of the UMich program, but not mandatory. You will be required to take C++ and EECS. You would probably want to expose yourself next year to the basics of object-oriented programming to get a good grounding as it is a rigorous level at UMich.</li>
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<p>Lastly, at the end of the day, what your parents WANT is not entirely germane, even if they’re contributing financially. You need to research and respond to their fears with facts and confidence in your future, but you also need to assert the direction in which your future lies and be prepared to accept the consequences of that. I personally know numerous engineers who do not enjoy their careers (but do enjoy the money.) I also know several music school grads who regret not pursuing a more sustainable/less unpredictable vocation. But I also know exceptionally happy physics, engineering and music graduates who have “created” a life and career creatively that they find enjoyable and rewarding.</p>

<p>I once had a reasonably well-played composer say the following to me during a visit to a school of music:
“Everyone said ‘How will you make a living as a composer’ when I went to school and yet I’ve made a very decent living between my commissions, TV/Film work, teaching and performing. I can’t imagine doing anything else.”</p>

<p>He was glad he did not do as his parents and friends advised ;)</p>

<p>if i go into a Music Technology program that has somewhat of a focus on the Engineering aspect, would it even be worth doing a double-major?
or would it be easier to get both degrees due to similar classes?</p>

<p>also I was considering…</p>

<p>Drexel (Music Industry)
Johns Hopkins (Recording Arts + Sciences)
NYU (Institute of Recorded Music)
Syracuse (Bandier Program)
UHartford (Music Production and Technology)
UMiami (Music Engineering Technology)
UNew Haven (Music and Sound Recording)</p>

<p>any comments/advice on whether i should/should not dual-major in Engineering with one of these programs?
(my cousin studied Music Prod. and Tech at UHartford and now he has a job wiring sound systems, not quite what i have in mind)</p>

<p>This all depends on how far you are willing to go to please your parents and how much of a backup to music you want. Combos such as electrical engineering or cs and production technology go together well because the ENG degree can net you a well-paying job in non-musical industries should you elect to do so and make you a little more broadly employable.</p>

<p>To assuage your parents (depending on your personal feeling) you would in essence be using the same money (plus a year) to learn how to do what THEY want AND do what YOU want :wink: If you have the capability to do both, I feel it would be most fiscally advantageous in terms of future earning power. A music technology degree does not really directly qualify you for the different types of opportunities that a higher-order understanding of physics/psycho-acoustics/systems/EECS/CS would.</p>

<p>You haven’t mentioned your stats/GPA/years and types of musical experience/instrument performance or composition history. You should be aware that the very best recording engineering programs usually require a high level of regional or national achievement across ALL these fields simultaneously.</p>

<p>And again, depending on precisely what you’re after, I don’t know that I would take a “music industry” route unless it was your intent to pursue a career specifically in commercial music – eg. my understanding is that Syracuse and Drexel have a different emphasis that many of the music technology programs you would find at a rigorous school of music (so again, the question is what is your performance background and intent). NYU’s Clive Davis program on the other hand is ideal for performers who also want to pursue "producing’ (as applied to talent and industry management as well and not specifically or exclusively in recording engineering/technical aspects alone) and while it requires talent across all disciplines, I’m not sure it’s designed to dovetail with engineering dual degrees as much as some of the other technology-emphasizing programs.</p>

<p>For example, you may want to closely examine the curriculum at each school to see just how strong the math/science requirements are. </p>

<p>Can you maybe give us a better understanding of your background so we can give you better guidance with respect to programs?</p>

<p>SAT
-critical reading: 620
-math: 640
-writing: 640
but I’m probably going to retake it </p>

<p>I’m taking 3 SAT subject tests tomorrow and the ACT next Saturday</p>

<p>other than that my weighted avg is above 100 and my unweighted is probably in the low 90’s</p>

<p>I play trumpet and guitar, but I’m more confident playing trumpet if I had to audition.
And I don’t know much music theory but I know its part of the college curriculum. </p>

<p>Theres also a Music Technology program at NYU-Steinhardt if that would be better for me.</p>

<p>OP-
Have you taken private lessons for trumpet and guitar?
Did your music teacher teach you any music theory?
Music theory is mucho hard if you self taught to play both.</p>

<p>i take private guitar lessons.
i only really play trumpet in band at school, but i’ve been playing for longer.</p>

<p>i can read music and i have a little knowledge of the different keys but thats about the extent of my Music Theory so far.</p>

<p>i might start taking private lessons for trumpet as well.
but also some schools don’t require an audition.</p>

<p>You may consider taking a music theory class at a local cc this summer if your high school doesn’t have to test the waters.</p>

<p>i would, but its not really an option. i’m working at a sleepaway camp and then a pool club all summer.
and i don’t think i can take it next year in HS either.
but isn’t there like an Intro to Music Theory class i can take my freshman year in college?</p>

<p>Just a suggestion to dabble before you commit.
Making a friendly suggestion, don’t want to kill your dreams.</p>

<p>Maybe borrow some books at the library like the Complete idiot’s Guide to Music Theory or Barron’s AP Music Theory book.</p>

<p>Good luck.</p>

<p>If you search youtube, there are some music theory lessons on that won’t make you an expert in music theory, but will give you enough of a taste of music theory to get an idea of whether it seems difficult to you. </p>

<p>There are also some free (and not free) music theory lessons online at various corners of the internet - although it may take a good bit of searching to find. At least one of them includes an ear training system. </p>

<p>I also wouldn’t be surprised if you found some videos of college music theory lectures (like real college classes) somewhere online - while looking for a computer science sylibus, I ran across a entire semester of Computer Science 1 lectures given by a Harvard professor (like 30 one hour classes) that anyone can watch for free.</p>

<p>As far as being admitted to college, most colleges don’t really expect applicants to be all that knowledgable about music theory, except for the basics of reading music. At one of my son’s college auditions they had to take a theory test, some students just signed there name and turned it in blank, my son’s friend got 6 correct out of 100 questions and my son only got 14 correct (both of them were accepted and recieved music scholarships)/ Most music programs require a minimum of two years of theory in college, so before you graduate college you will have a solid knowledge.</p>

<p>And I am kinda with everyone else; If what would make you happy is a career involving music, then you need to pursue that, to some level or another, regardless of what your parents want. There are tons of options, even if you major in engineering or a science. You could consider minors or double majors or grad school to qualify you to do what you want to do.</p>

<p>yeah thats what i thought. i guess it couldn’t hurt to look into it a little though.</p>

<p>and i probably will go for a double major and/or grad school
apparently its really hard for recording engineers to find jobs</p>

<p>Definitely want over a 700 math SAT, that’s what a lot of these programs require.</p>

<p>Also, if you play trumpet, does that mean youre involved with the school band program? If so, you should at least have a basic knowledge of music theory.</p>

<p>yeah i guess i know the basics. just not like the legit AP Music Theory knowledge.</p>

<p>and i’m probably going to take the SAT again for a better score</p>

<p>At UMass Lowell, you can major in EE with a minor in Sound Recording Technology.</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.uml.edu/catalog/undergraduate/colleges/fahss/music/sound_recording_tech/SRT_EE_minor_outline.pdf[/url]”>http://www.uml.edu/catalog/undergraduate/colleges/fahss/music/sound_recording_tech/SRT_EE_minor_outline.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;