<p>So I have a 3.75 GPA, 2220 SATs, 4 AP courses,Student Council, and school orchestra as my basic stats. I was recruited by a coach at Harvard but wasn't given a likely letter. My name is on a list to admissions of pple not LL but who are still wanted in by the coach. What are my chances of actually getting in? I know H's super competitive.</p>
<p>good but not guaranteed I would think. But that’s not really telling you anything you don’t already know. From all the posts I’ve seen in threads lately I’d say there are more than a few rowers and parents of rowers posting who are in the recruiting pipeline right now who could answer your question better.</p>
<p>In fact, with the exception of a few track and field and the odd fencer it seems we could re-label this forum to: Rowing Recruiting</p>
<p>:)</p>
<p>and we’re alive and well!!!
thought of a nifty little ditty: Rowers Rock at Recruiting Responses!</p>
<p>OP:
I can only tell you what you already know: it can’t hurt you, but it’s nowhere near the “push” that LLs give candidates. I don’t know much about non-LL’d recruits.</p>
<p>It’s because rowing recruiting is a question of supply and demand: There are about twice as many college rowers as high school rowers. That’s why it’s also one of the few sports where very good athletes from other sports will be seriously recruited, even if they have never been in a boat. Rowing coaches know that it’s relatively easy to become very good very fast. (Compare this to tennis or gymnastics where kids start in pre-school.)</p>
<p>Hey, there are a lot of swimmers and some baseball frequent posters too…</p>
<p>But to the OP, I am not so optimistic-better have a good back up plan.</p>
<p>One of the girls who was on the same recruiting visit for Yale I was committed after as well, but was not particularly sought after. So, the coach called her up and told her she was on “his list” to go to admissions. She was deferred Early Action. </p>
<p>A general saying is without something, you have nothing. Therefore, like oldbatesie said, you should probably have a decent back up plan.</p>
<p>What do you mean by “I was recruited”?? I always thought official recruits were given offical LLs.</p>
<p>^^i think what she means is that the coach showed interest, probably gave her an OV, and told her she liked what she saw but when it came time to hand out a limited number of LL’s she didn’t get one. So she is definitely a recruited athlete! not all recruited athletes are signed that’s why it’s called recruiting</p>
<p>hang in there 2693, I know it’s not easy…like rowing:) that last 100 meters can hurt!</p>
<p>
Oh, really. Perhaps I should comment on your kid’s butt.</p>
<p>Edit: That was supposed to be funny, but I never know how stuff will come off. As my attorney often reminds me, tone on the internet is hard to read. I should learn how to do the smiley face thing.</p>
<p>and the normal fencer:)</p>
<p>my son was “recruited” by the swimming coach last year at penn. did not have a likely letter, kept being told by the coach that he was on his list that he sent to admissions of students he wanted admitted… I truly believe the coach DID want my son to swim there but without that LL NOTHING is a guarantee…</p>
<p>@Sherpa, lol!</p>
<p>I think it’s possible that at H you have a better than average chance of getting in RD as a recruit vis a vis other Ivys. Why? Because they don’t have ED at H, only their absolute top recruits are getting in early via LL. Everyone else has to wait for the RD round. But most of the top recruits are going to take a sure thing via LL/ED at another school rather than waiting and taking their chances at H late in the game. Schools that have ED will fill their rosters early and have few, if any, slots to give away in the RD round. This means (I think) that relative to those schools, H actually has more slots in the RD round to give away to recruits. Make sense? </p>
<p>PS That said, it all comes down to how high you are on that coach’s post-LL list.</p>
<p>Not sure if this logic works. For if a H coach has 6 genuine official slots with Admissions and you see a news article like I did in Nov/Dec announcing the 6 names and hometowns of H’s Sports Team X recruited class, it seems to be all over officially for athletic recruiting at H way before April as the team is already announced off the Fall LLs given out. And then, after the coach has used up his LLs, as I’ve heard from AOs, being an athlete is viewed on par with any other extra curricular actvivity – orchestra, debate club, yearbook, student gov, etc, in terms of its impact on Admsssions post the LLs.</p>
<p>Probably depends on how many slots and LLs any given coach gets but in Men’s HW crew, they have between 10 and 12 spots a year. In my S’s year, they gave out 3 LLs. The H coach told me that they lose so many of their top recruits to other schools through LLs and ED by November 1 that - though they get criticized for it - they have to recruit internationally to find equally talented athletes to fill out their roster in the Spring.</p>
<p>Sherpa, I’m laughing while I wonder if sitting in a boat for hours a day gives one a flat-looking butt…</p>
<p>@3xboys
Does that mean after the 3 LLs, H recruited 7-9 more rowers RD?</p>
<p>Do you know if there are 10-12 spots for LW crew also? More than a boat’s number of recruits?</p>
<p>Yes. They do not by any means stop recruiting after handing out their LLs in October. The coach said something something to the effect that the Administration really wants to the “no ED” policy to have teeth, so, at least with his team in that year, they could only hand out a limited number of likelies in October but still had slots left over to fill through the RD round. He was lamenting the fact that many top recruits would not wait and so, while they often get their top 3 with LLs, they miss out on #4, 5, 6 and so on. Hence the emphasis on international recruits later in the game.</p>
<p>I know of a rower - a girl - who was so off their radar initially that she was not even invited on an official in the fall and ended up getting recruited - and accepted - very late in the Spring…</p>
<p>And yes, from what I understand, both HW and LW men’s crew teams each have 10 - 12 spots in any given year.</p>
<p>It seems H’s LW women only have 5 recruits per year per their press release. I’ve never heard of any Ivy or D1 coach having more than MAX 8 to fill a boat. What year was your son recruited in , if I may ask?</p>
<p>Another thought – per your situation outlined above above … if a rower gets “recruited” with a LL (not via formal ED, just LL – say at another top school, which like H, does not have ED) in the Fall, as they wait until April 1 to get the official acceptance to back up that one LL and as LLs are not binding on the student, couldn’t they then pick H if they were accepted at H RD?</p>
<p>I’m new at this, but reading thru Ivy League athletic recruiting info, it does not say anywhere that one can’t also have more than one LL (if one was a super top recruit) and not totally decided in the Fall or waiting for Fin Aid info in April. So then waiting until May 1 to pick seems “legal”?</p>
<p>The above does not apply to me as I am firm as to where i REALLY want to row, but our boathouse did have a kid in the exact above situation – 2 LLs to 2 Ivies/D1. thanks!</p>