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<p>Ahhh…hidden tuition. But what % of kids live in UC owned housing?</p>
<p>I don’t know what percent live in on-campus housing but there are a lot that do - generally enough to fill up all the available housing including freshmen tripling.</p>
<p>At UCSD most almost all that lived in dorms move off campus after the first 2 years. At UCLA most move off campus after the first 2 or 3 years although they’re trying to offer 4 years of housing. At UCB it used to be a year on campus but I heard they changed it to two years. </p>
<p>Of course, students might have never lived on-campus but rather than in apartments as early as freshmen and yet other students are commuters.</p>
<p>Both of mine lived both on and off campus.</p>
<p>Colleges can make financial planning less difficult for the students by capping the max rate for students already in the system to, say the inflation rate. This way, when you go to college, you have a pretty good idea of what your outlay will be for four years and can plan on it. If the college needs more money, have a higher than inflation increase on the incoming students, who can decide at the onset if they can afford it or not.</p>
<p>Even California lawmakers face 18% paycut.
[California</a> lawmakers, officials face 18% pay cut – latimes.com](<a href=“http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-pay-cuts20-2009nov20,0,7572266.story]California”>California lawmakers, officials face 18% pay cut)</p>
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<p>You are ignoring a key point: the UC yield today on OOS students is not great. IT has nothing to do with policy or any sort of OOS cap. IMO, folks smart enough to get into Cal or UCLA from OOS are smart enough to know that $50k/yr is not a good educational value. They choose elsewhere today and they will next year. Just bcos Cal admits a few more from OOS doesn’t mean that they will matriculate. Heck given the budget situation, and its impact on each campus, folks would have to think long and hard before shelling out that kind of money.</p>
<p>UCLA, for example, only has ~350 OOS frosh. Of those, some are recruited athletes…</p>
<p>I agree that it’s not a good value Blue. But I think the yield has been steady and they have accepted numbers to yield the percentage they want of out of staters.</p>
<p>I think we’ll see this year that the number matriculating from OOS will go up. Acceptances from OOS will therefore go way up. Again, I think most will be internationals as opposed to kids from other states. Frankly, I think this is going to be a great year for previously under qualified internationals.</p>
<p>At Berkeley the off campus housing (including Greek) was HALF the price of campus housing.</p>
<p>Since it was asked if UC’s would admit more OOS this year, I thought I would posted a copy of an email my Ds got tonite. My DS is in-state and submitted his UC apps a couple of days ago so it was interesting when he received an email entitled " AN email to answer questions for out of state applicants." Here is one answer.</p>
<p>"Q: Is Berkeley more competitive for non-resident students? Is Berkeley accepting more non-resident students?
A: UC Berkeley applies the same evaluation criteria to every student in the applicant pool. Our Admissions staff uses the same review process for all applicants: California residents, out-of-state residents, and international students. </p>
<p>Because UC Berkeley is a public university in California, our staff gives priority to state residents; however, for the 2010-11 academic year, we will be increasing admission of non-resident students. "</p>
<p>So as they have been telling us in state residents, there is gold in them there out of state student hills.</p>
<p>Berkeley (and some degrees UCLA) is considered on par with Ivy leagues among international community. If they want, they can always increase full paid international students pool. Previously, international students have higher stats got rejected in favor of California students. Now, maybe the gap will narrow somewhat.</p>
<p>My Alma Mater Ga Tech is another school that has pretty good international reputation due to its engineering and technology fields. It just increased yield for international student from 6% to 13% in the past fall. </p>
<p>Also, as India and China (the third world countries) become wealthy, there are always people who are willing to pay full price for reputation of Berkeley, UCLA, among engineering Ga Tech.</p>
<p>CNN is running a segment on the UC system and its “decline.”</p>
<p>If things get really bad financially, the UCs can pare their bureaucracy. Of course, that will likely only happen after they have fired all the profs</p>
<p>I think it’s about time the CA in-state tuition increases! CA has the craziest tax system: my mom lives there and pays a % of property taxes based on the purchase price of her house. Owha! She bought the house nearly 45 years ago.</p>
<p>And about those OOS students: my son’s GF really wanted to go to Berkeley. She got into all her other schools, Yale EA, Stanford, Princeton, NU, WUSL, etc. but rejected from Berkeley. Bet they’re sorry now.</p>
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But she’s been paying those property taxes for 45 years!</p>
<p>America’s Future relies upon the High-Tech Human Capital.
When the Govt spends something like a Trillion Dollars ($1,000,000,000,000.00) to save the Goldman Sachs and other richests, why not provide just 5% of the figure $50 Billion to give $10,000 govt subsidy to 5,000,000 college students in Need and Merit basis?</p>
<p>On top of that, in the spirit of Econ Stimulus Package, how about allow whole college tuition tax deductible, not just the current $2,000 or $4,000 education credit? If the govt does not allow that, then it might mean college educatin is regarded as a luxury good purchase of a college degree club membership.</p>
<p>We have to build the American High-Tech Human Capital for the future.</p>
<p>email today from the chancellor:</p>
<p>Approximately 200 protestors are continuing to demonstrate on the south side of campus in the area around Wheeler Hall. Wheeler Hall is occupied by protestors and the building remains locked.</p>
<p>All classes at Wheeler are suspended until further notice and employees who work in Wheeler Hall are advised that they should plan on not being able to enter the building for the remainder of the work day. Employees should confirm alternative work arrangements with their supervisor, as possible. Instructors who teach in Wheeler Hall are being contacted by e-mail.</p>
<p>Fire alarms have been intentionally set off in several buildings including Barrows, Dwinelle, and Sproul Hall. The fire department is verifying that these are false alarms and will allow people to reenter buildings when it is safe to do so.</p>
<p>The safety of our campus community, including those involved in this protest, are an utmost priority of our police as they work to resolve the situation.</p>
<p>Thank you to all members of the campus community for your continued patience in this matter. Please check for updates throughout the day on the Berkeley home page [University</a> of California, Berkeley](<a href=“http://berkeley.edu%5DUniversity”>http://berkeley.edu)</p>
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<p>Care to know how much the UC got from Obama’s Stimulus handouts? A few million dollars? A few hundred millions? Find out and then divide by the number of UC students! And, then perhaps, add the amount transferred from the federal government to the UC system in Pell and related grants. </p>
<p>Fwiw, this is only the beginning of a drastic change at the Uc, and especially at Berkeley. Even the stimulus money won’t do much to hide the depth of the problems.</p>
<p>Bandaid on a wooden leg!</p>
<p>Many of the kids today are picketing and are concerned with getting financial aid to illegal aliens, this is a big topic of discussion.</p>
<p>My contention to them would be that when I go to Canada I cannot use their healthcare system for free; if I go to UBC I will pay international fees, even if I have been living there, as I am not a citizen.</p>
<p>Same with university in Europe, not just full fees & no aid, but an extra up charge for internationals.</p>
<p>Pay it forward, if every one else wants to let us get need or merit aid in their country and pay home fees, than the UC s can consider it, otherwise, nope.</p>
<p>The government doesn’t have any money. All it does is pass a law that forces you to lend money to it that you must pay off in higher taxes and inflation over the next thirty years. These tuition hikes won’t hurt everybody, only the middle-class. It means there will be more financial aid available to the students that the Adcomm prefers to have at the school.</p>
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<p>Because without the bailout businesses all over the world would have no access to capital and there would be no jobs for all of those college graduates.</p>
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<p>Is financial aid for illegal aliens REALLY a problem at the UC, and especially at Berkeley and UCLA? Is it really THAT easy for an illegal alien --or even the child of an undocumented alien-- to obtain financial at a UC school? Are the UC schools in sucha dire situation because ilegal aliens can attend the school with financial aid? </p>
<p>For some reason, I remember Carolyn desperate efforts to help a highly competitive student in California find a solution to inexisting financial aid for undocumented immigrants.</p>