Rejected from pre-law frat- question

Colleges and Universities A-Z University of California - Berkeley
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<p>Hello fellow CCer's</p>

<p>So I was rejected from PAD (the pre-law frat) on campus and while I'm a little irritated by it, I think I'll live. However I have a question for any of those that are familiar with these types of frats--do they really help with job recruitment/ getting into law schools like these organization claim? Also, have any of you ever been rejected from a professional/business frat? How did you react? </p>

<p>I'd be curious to know how many people they selected out of the application pool. I mean if it was like they took 20 out of 100 that's rather selective, but if it was like 20 out of 25....well...I'd feel kinda lame. lol. However, that is just a side thought, which I know none of you would know. hehe </p>

<p>Thanks!</p>

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<p>It’s okay. You don’t want to be with them anyway. You should take your talents to South Beach.</p>

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<p>^LMAO</p>

<p>Too funny.</p>

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<p>My friend’s been rejected from them twice. It happens, you just keep trying I guess? She wasn’t too bummed I don’t think, because I guess she was younger than the average person that they generally take. I don’t know much about it, though. I think she’s going to try again as a junior.</p>

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<p>You need to know is that law school is ~99% lsat+gpa; recs and ECs are barely reviewed with the exceptions of schools with small classes such as Stanford and Yale, and Boalt which does its UC-holistic thing. Even Harvard Law is (nearly) all about the numbers; no connections needed. As long as you participate in something, anything and are not a recluse, you are good-to-go (to anywhere by Y & S).</p>

<p>There is absolutely no value to any such Frat for professional school admissions.</p>

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<p>Law Frat = completely useless waste of time… I don’t know why you would possibly want to do it…</p>

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<p>If your goal is to ultimately go to law school, don’t waste your time with a pre-law frat. All you need is a high GPA (3.7+) and high LSAT score (170+) if you want a chance at the T-14. Those 2 are the only thing that matters. Law schools don’t care about your EC’s or work experience.</p>

<p>Besides, when you go to law school, you’re going to be surrounded by a bunch of arrogant, legal pricks anyways. Why would you want to ruin your undergrad experience by being surrounded by pre-law students? Ugh.</p>

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<p>Umm, not quite: Stanford and Yale are small enough to actually care about ECs – the more unique, the better. But the others certainly do not care what you participate in, as long as it is something (they don’t want a class of recluses).</p>

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<p>Again, not quite. Northwestern, a T14, clearly states a preference for work experience, and Harvard’s dean has commented publically that they’d prefer to see some.</p>

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<p>You probably got rejected because they thought you had a soul and conscience.</p>

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<p>You’re right about Northwestern, but they are the only law school that explicitly state that work experience strongly preferred.</p>

<p>Even if the Dean “comments” on it, if it isn’t officially stated by the Admissions, it can’t be official. For instance, UCLA law’s admission officers have commented that they will take into consideration multiple LSAT scores if you take it more than once. The reality is, they’ll only consider your highest.</p>

<p>Lastly, HYS are…weird. They are the only schools were nobody is truly a match, in spite of stellar GPA and LSAT. But you’re using 3 law schools out of…hundreds.</p>

<p>The majority of law schools only care about GPA and LSAT and more than half of the T-14 emphasize GPA and LSAT. Maybe if you submitted your app late in December, they will consider your ECs, personal statement, and letters of rec after seeing that you qualified with both a high GPA and LSAT.</p>

<p>Trust me, law school is purely a numbers game. Go to law school numbers and see for yourself. Hardly any schools accept many applicants that scored 1 point below their median LSAT, unless that applicant had a really high GPA.</p>

<p>i.e. Applicants for USC</p>

<p>Applicant 1: 3.6 GPA, 167 LSAT - Most likely in if he applies early
Applicant 2: 4.1 GPA, 166 LSAT - Most likely in if he applies early
Applicant 3: 3.9 GPA, 160 - Rejected, unless applicant is URM.
Applicant 4: 2.8 GPA, 178 LSAT - Very likely in, but must write addendum for low GPA</p>

<p>Point is, you can have a 3.99 GPA, be president of the pre law society, be in a pre law frat, intern as an undergraduate in some gigantic law fim in New York City, worked as a paralegal for 10 years, have an MBA, and still be rejected if your LSAT is a low 160 when USC’s median is 167.</p>

<p>Let me put it in LSAT terms.</p>

<p>A high GPA and high LSAT is a necessary condition for admissions into an elite law school, but it is not necessarily sufficient.</p>

<p>ECs and work experience are neither sufficient nor necessary conditions for admissions into elite law schools.</p>

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<p>I agree in part, that all but a handful of law schools are purely numbers. Even Harvard is a numbers gamer and predictable bcos it is so large, they have a lot of seats to fill. OTOH, Yale and Stanford are small, so they can be extremely choosy among the high scorers.</p>

<p>I was only pointing out the exceptions to your broad point, particularly since you mentioned the T14. Of those 14, three are clearly not numbers only; indeed, they are numbers and much more.</p>

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<p>I learned this the hard way but u don’t need to be in greek life to get ahead in life. It’s not going to help you much more than hurt you not to be in it. greek life seems attractive at first, but if u don’t make it, it’s for a reason. just believe it and find better things in ur life. we all have insecurities, but some of us are too good to be put through more ■■■.</p>