<p>There was a post in the prescreen thread that rejections are typically sent within 2 weeks of the audition. For all of you experienced with this, is it fair to say this is true for most of the schools? I assumed decisions were all sent at the same time.</p>
<p>I’m assuming you are talking about the actual audition and not the prescreen right? Prescreens are relatively new at many schools so there may not be enough of a track record at every school to answer about a prescreen. </p>
<p>For the regular audition, I think you will find the answer is, it depends. U Much for example has rolling admissions. I believe you find out results about 3 weeks after the audition. Ithaca has a hybrid rolling where some will hear very quickly and other decisions will linger. Tisch tells everyone on the same day in late March (unless you apply ED) and studio assignments come a few weeks later. Penn State will reject you at the audition if you are out but I don’t not being rejected means accepted (somebody correct me if I am wrong on that). I know of someone that found out at a Texas State audition, that they were in and it was immediately followed up in writing. Many other examples like that so “it depends” seems to the thing.</p>
<p>halflokum is right… it depends on the school. </p>
<p>Rolling Admission Schools – within a period of time that they indicate you may hear whether or not you are into the school academically (for schools where the academic and artistic acceptance is separate). These schools may also let you know whether you have been admitted to, deferred to a later decision date, or denied from the program.</p>
<p>EA/ ED schools – some may have separate artistic and academic admissions (although in the case of ED programs, I think most are all or nothing, so you would not be in a binding ED situation at a school that did not accept you to the program… others PLEASE correct me if I am wrong). In the case of ED it is likely that you would hear yes or no to both the school and the program by the ED notification date. In the case of EA (at a school that has separate admissions processes) you may hear that you are in academically before you hear you are in artistically. This is the case at JMU (where I teach), Penn State, Elon (I think), and others.</p>
<p>RD Schools – Some schools are all or nothing. Others, you could be accepted to the school, but not the program, or could be admitted to the school, but waitlisted for the program (this is the case where I teach, where academic and artistic admissions are separate – although we can recommend students that we would like in the program for academic admissions during the RD round of academic admissions). </p>
<p>Some schools will let a student know if they have been accepted artistically BEFORE they know if they are in academically. In this case… at schools where the admissions processes are separate… the student’s acceptance to the program is provisional pending the academic acceptance. </p>
<p>So, the short answer is… it very much varies from school to school. AND even some schools that will let SOME applicants know if they have been admitted or denied both academically and artistically within a few weeks, may defer most students until after they have seen all applicants audition.</p>
<p>Great questions to ask of all of your schools… At least so you know the individual time lines.</p>
<p>Some schools that accept earlier than others will try to pressure students into committing before a student has all acceptances in at the end of March… and I do not mean ED schools, where this would be acceptable… tricky…</p>
<p>halflokum right the actual audition. </p>
<p>Thanks! At the two auditions we’ve been to somebody else asked “When will we hear” but no one specified accepted vs denied notifications, I never thought of it. So I will ask the schools to clarify just so we have an idea.</p>
<p>Honestly MTMajorCook, I’d go into it with the assumption that rejection notifications will happen when they happen and not expect them any earlier nor later than an acceptance or you will be overthinking the process. I actually spent some time on this very subject on the phone with a friend tonight.</p>
<p>You are not out, until the proverbial “fat lady” sings but nor are you in until she has sung either. Complicating that are behaviors that exist at some schools that KatMT is hinting at and you all should be paying attention to:</p>
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<p>Plenty of historical threads to read where this is discussed - often with disgust. So be forewarned.</p>
<p>This is the issue that is being referred to in the above posts where students were asked to make deposits quite early, and those that didn’t, although accepted, were later denied spots in the program. It happened 2 audition seasons ago in 2012. Would be worthwhile to check into if you are interested in this program:
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/point-park-university-mt/1312918-waitlist-process.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/point-park-university-mt/1312918-waitlist-process.html</a></p>
<p>Christie2 is right about the link. I was mostly talking about that but also, there were examples last year too that involved less wide-spread school specific practices than those which are discussed at length in the link. </p>
<p>There are a number of schools that as a competitive recruiting practice will put on the early squeeze to go after who they identify early as top prospect. I know that there is a practice at least one school, and possibly more that suggests that “this offer is good now but not necessarily good if you wait until 5/1.” </p>
<p>Be careful about that message if you run into it. Especially if you are a really talented male. Ignore it if you want to unless it comes from your dream school that you with ease will commit to. In any case, whatever school is implying that the deal needs to be sealed, will probably wait and welcome you with open arms even if your “yes” comes on 5/1. I’d like to think the same applies for the really talented females that get the same message but I’m less sure things work that way for females. </p>
<p>I’m not sure why schools get away with squeezing for an answer before 5/1 but be aware, some will try to and apparently are getting away with it.</p>
<p>Pressuring students to accept before May 1 is very unethical and violates the principals laid out by the National Association For College Admission Counseling’s Statement of Principles of Good Practice (2013):</p>
<p>“Postsecondary members agree that they will:…permit first-year candidates for fall admission to choose among offers of admission, financial aid and scholarships until May 1 and will state this deadline explicitly in their offers of admission; …work with their institutions’ senior administrative officers to ensure that financial aid and scholarship offers and housing options are not used to manipulate commitments prior to May 1…”</p>
<p>In the past, some colleges have directly violated these ethics. If this happens this year, be forewarned and react as you will, but be aware that the colleges that do so knowingly violate these ethics because they feel they can’t get the rates they want by playing by the rules.</p>
<p>I’ve heard that many schools will ask the kid what other schools they are applying to during the audition. Why and how should the kid respond?</p>
<p>I believe there was a thread on this question years ago. I believe an admissions officer, or head of a MT program stated that they honestly are just making conversation with the kids at the audition when they ask this question. The individual stated that the answer the child gives has no bearing on whether or not the child is offered admittance to the program.</p>
<p>There are indeed lots of previous posts about this issue, and more than one opinion about what to do (not surprisingly!). Most schools asked my son where else he was applying. Ithaca asks you to write the schools in order of preference (he listed Ithaca third and was admitted, for the record). Some auditors will discuss it with the kid, and others will just note it and move on. It does seem to be okay to just finesse it (saying “Right now I’m just focused on YOUR school” seems to be a common ploy) if you’re nervous about being blunt. I think the main thing is to be forewarned that it could happen so that you’re prepared to answer (by “you” I mean the student, obviously)–don’t let it throw you. By the way, I don’t see any evil undertones to this practice, although some people do; I think it’s just a way for schools to see what other kinds of places you’re attracted to, where YOU think you might fit, where their overlap schools are for this year, that kind of thing. So just respond in a way that makes you both feel and appear confident and relaxed. :)</p>
<p>Times3 I am going to copy and paste what you wrote to say in cases like this for my son to read… “Right now I’m just focused on YOUR school”. It’s brilliant.</p>
<p>Tisch may have changed things a little recently because last year students found out on the NYU school-wide release date and then studio assignments were released about two weeks later- maybe three? In previous years there was a little advance clue that had something to do with receiving an invitation to an accepted student event before the actual university acceptances went out, but last year they tidied that up.</p>
<p>Everyone is right…it depends on the school. NYU (Tisch and Steinhardt) make a big deal about hitting the send button…all decisions go out at once for the entire school, and they have a live video feed of the dean hitting “send.” Other schools, like CCM, are pretty good about sending out decisions within 2 weeks or so of the audition. Other schools, like Ithaca, will delete your myIthaca account if you’re going to be rejected (at least, that’s what happened last year and the year before…maybe they have changed that). Similarly, with UMich, if you get that message on Wolverine Access that says something to the effect of “We will send you a decision within 2 weeks,” it means you will be rejected. But don’t expect it to be all neat and tidy. We NEVER rece’d a formal rejection from one school last year (I had to email and beg them to let us know, several times, and still never rec’d a letter), and yet another school sent us someone ELSE’s rejection. (Who knows where our letter went? I later found out that my D had been admitted to the BA program with an invitation to re-audition for MT in November. Needless to say, she did not go there.) Read the threads of the specific schools. There are ways, with some of the schools, to find out before they tell you officially.</p>