<p>Just wanted to second actormcfamous and soozie - UM does not cut (or "redirect") - at all. My d is a sophomore there now - she knows everyone in the classes above her - as well as those in recent graduating classes. Noone has been asked to leave - or to pursue another course of study. If this had happened, everyone would know about it, as it is a tight-knit group. The sophomore evals are to help students determine what they need to work on. If a student is not keeping up or putting forth their best effort, Mr. Wagner may meet with them at any time during their four years to discuss what is going on with them and to lend support - but he does not ask them to leave the program. I know that he met with several first year students last year to check in with them - he did not ask them to leave or to pursue another major.</p>
<p>I should have added that I checked the above information with my d, who was in a car with five of her UM MT classmates (on their way to an amusement park!) so they all chimed in. They were all baffled as to why/how there is rumor about cuts....</p>
<p>I stan by my info and I am sure all will go well for the current and future students. I will not post about this again. UMich prepares great peformers in this field. The students are lucky and talented to be attending and to be working with Brent Wagner.</p>
<p>I had no idea that my post would cause such a flurry of comments. I apologize for causing anyone any undue stress or distress. I didn't realize that the prospects of cuts was such a heated discussion, but I guess I should have caught on to that with the pages of discussion about CCM this past year. I have the highest regard for the program at U of Michigan and have only had good experiences there. I misunderstood the information I was given about the evaulations and I deeply apologize and I wish to clarify that.<br>
I appreciate the comments I have received telling me the information was wrong and I am truly sorry to have made this mistake.</p>
<p>llong39 - it is much appreciated that you came back after finding out you indeed misunderstood, and you took the time to clarify that as well.</p>
<p>There are many of us on this board that have done extensive research about the different programs, and there are also lots of parents of students, who are currently enrolled in said programs (including UMich), and together we can help provide valuable information to those, who are just embarking on their journeys.</p>
<p>That said, whenever one of us does "mess up" providing information that can be misinterpreted or simply posts something that is not right, we are lucky to have fellow parents around us that "catch this" and correct us where necessary :D.</p>
<p>MTgrlsmom: Thank goodness for the parent network. I have learned so much from this forum and would hate to have misinformation spread due to my mistake. Good luck to your daughter. She must be having the time of her life.</p>
<p>Back to a question regarding repertoire list. This seems silly but I wasn't sure how to answer this to my D, when marking your rep list with the required "p" or "m"; "Performed from memory, and Performed in public". Is that assuming if you mark it an "p" that you also had it memorized since it was a public performance? If you mark an "m" memory, but not public, is that assuming it is a piece you have worked on and are able to sing from memory but just haven't performed in public? Or, do you mark pieces performed in public from memory with a "p,m" differentiating from a public concert perhaps of classical works where music was used on stage (such as a choir concert where there are soloists)? I know this sounds ridiculous but I wanted to make sure she gets this right. At the moment she has marked all performed pieces with a "p"-although they were all memorized, and studied pieces memorized and ready for performing with an "m"...Help!...</p>
<p>For the pieces she performed, they would have both an "M" and a "P" because she memorized them in order to perform them (I assume!). For pieces she has worked on with a teacher, for example, but never performed publicly, she would just put an "M" assuming she memorized them and didn't just sing it for a few minutes one time.</p>
<p>Soozieievt</p>
<p>l am not sure where found your info on graduation rates you posted for the various universities. The University of Cincinnati is not 50% in fact according to the UC website the actual graduation rates have increased from 77 percent in 2003 to 84 percent in 2008. It is important to post the correct information. As a CC counselor I am sure that you have access to information from a variety of sources. Would you please provide the source of your info..thx</p>
<p>Soozieievt</p>
<p>l am not sure where found your info on graduation rates you posted for the various universities. The University of Cincinnati is not 50% in fact according to the UC website the actual graduation rates have increased from 77 percent in 2003 to 84 percent in 2008. It is important to post the correct information. As a CC counselor I am sure that you have access to information from a variety of sources. Would you please provide the source of your info..thx</p>
<p>Bardmuse, </p>
<p>This is a weird place for me to post about University of Cincinnati's graduation rates but I don't wish to ignore your question. </p>
<p>I completely agree that it is important to post CORRECT information which is surely my aim. </p>
<p>I'd be happy to tell you where I got my information that I posted. Further, given your post, I have conducted additional research and will report that as well.</p>
<p>As well, it is hard to tell if we are talking apples to apples and the same thing when referring to "graduation rates". My original source gives "average graduation rates" and I am not positive what that stands for but I am assuming it means the average of both the four year and six year graduation rates. So, already I don't know if you are talking four or six year and so we may be citing something different. </p>
<p>So....onto my ORIGINAL information that I posted earlier...</p>
<p>My original information came from US News and World Report's Best Colleges 2009 Online Edition. For UC, they report the average freshmen retention rate at 79.8% and the Avg. Graduation Rate (again, I assume this averages the four and six year grad rate) as 50.3%. The predicted graduation rate is 51%. UC is ranked 181 in terms of graduation and retention rates. </p>
<p>Now, I have examined whatever I could find on UC's site and searched it. I haven't found what you report (well...I have found what you report but you report something in error....more on that in a moment), but I have found the data on this topic. I found TWO sources on their site. One was a Fact Sheet that was updated May 2007. It reports the graduation rate for 2006-2007 (2000 cohort) at 43.1%. </p>
<p>However, in the President's Report Card to the Board of Trustees this month, Sept. 2008 (this is truly the most up to date data of all), it gives the retention rates and the SIX-YEAR graduation rates for the past five years. In 2008, the first year retention rate was 84% (that means that 84% of freshmen continued on past freshmen year). The six-year GRADUATION rate for 2008 was 55% In 2007, it was 52%, thus closely matching the reported 50.3% rate in USNews for that year or the predicted 51% rate for that year. It has now risen to 55% for 2008. The President's goal for 2010-2011 is to have a six year graduation rate of 56% and a freshmen retention rate of 85%. </p>
<p>Based on the figure you provided of 84% and how it rose from 77% in 2003, it is obvious to me, looking at the President's Report, that YOU are referring to "first-year retention rate" and NOT GRADUATION RATE. These are NOT the SAME THING. First year retention rate is simply how many first year students continue at college and don't leave. Graduation rate is how many graduate within six year's of matriculating. </p>
<p>My original post, as well as data, reported GRADUATION RATES and is correct.....both in US News and World Report, as well as the President of UC's own report this month.</p>
<p>how much does the repertoire list play into the decision process?</p>
<p>claydavisdbc, I seriously doubt that the repertoire list plays any actual crucial part in the decision process. I think it is "just another document" that gives the adjudicators some insight into perhaps your commitment, or vocal style, just like your artistic resume. But, even if say one lists 100 hundred songs, who is to say one sings them well :D. It just offers some perspective, but it is all relative. Kind of similar in the case of the girl that played played Mama Rose when she was 10, if you know what I mean. Ultimately to get 'invited to audition', it will be important to be in the ballpark academically. To make it into the program, will be contingent upon your actual audition.</p>
<p>UMich does NOT have a cut policy as the person before has said. I visited last week. The woman made that clear. Also they SAY 20. 2007 was 24, they try to do equal number of boys and girls.</p>
<p>No the graduation rate is indeed 84%. Meaning 84% of the people who come in freshman yearn stay through til the end. Perhaps I am misunderstanding what first year retention rate means but I visited last week and the woman said what I said in the first couple sentences.</p>
<p>The rates quoted above (the 84% freshmen retention rate to which you refer) were for University of Cincinatti and not UMich. I realize it is confusing as this is a UMich forum but I was responding to a question posed about UC. The information I provided is completely correct but it is about UC and not UMich. UMich has an 87% graduation rate, way higher than U of Cincinatti. The grad rate for UC is 55%.</p>
<p>By the way..."freshmen retention rate" means those freshmen who continue onto their second year at the university.</p>
<p>O great thanks! I was confused as you guessed correctly haha. Werd.</p>