<p>If there were a sort of PA created with major recruiters rating universities, including said rating would be meaningful. But PayScale truly is not indicative of employer sentiment. I would remove it altogether. Schools like Brown, Columbia, Cornell and Johns Hopkins do not crack the top 10 in the Northeast and schools like Michigan, Northwestern and Washington University do not crack the top 10 in the Midwest. All of those universities are clearly among the 10 most prestigious in their respective regions, so PayScale is definitely not aiming at establishing Employer’s opinions.</p>
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<p>No mystery. Many employers pay annoying University of Chicago graduates to go away and not apply. So they show up as negatives in the payscale.</p>
<p>Academics’s view
US News PA - 30%</p>
<p>30 Princeton
30 Harvard
30 Stanford
30 MIT
29.4 Yale
28.8 UC Berkeley
28.3 Columbia
28.2 Caltech
28.2 Chicago</p>
<p>27.6 Penn
27.6 Hopkins
27.6 Cornell
27 Duke
27 Brown
27 Michigan</p>
<p>26.4 Dartmouth
26.4 Northwestern
26.4 Virginia</p>
<p>25.8 CMU
25.8 UCLA
25.2 WUStL
24.6 Emory
24.6 Rice
24.6 Georgetown
24.6 Vanderbilt</p>
<p>23.4 Notre Dame
24.2 UNC
24 USC
23.4 William & Mary
23.4 NYU
22.2 Tufts
21.6 Wake Forest
21.6 Brandeis</p>
<p>Employers’ Opinions
PayScale - 30%</p>
<p>30 Dartmouth
30 Harvard
30 Princeton
30 Yale
30 Stanford
30 MIT
30 Notre Dame</p>
<p>29.4 Penn
28.8 Duke
28.2 Caltech</p>
<p>27.6 UC Berkeley
27.6 CMU
27 Georgetown
27 WUStL</p>
<p>25.8 Brown
25.8 Cornell
25.8 Chicago</p>
<p>25.2 Rice
25.2 Tufts</p>
<p>24.6 USC
24 Columbia
24 Michigan
24 Northwestern
24 Vanderbilt</p>
<p>22.8 UCLA
22.8 Virginia
22.2 Hopkins
22.2 Emory
22.2 NYU</p>
<p>21 Wake Forest
20.4 William & Mary</p>
<p>19.2 UNC
18 Brandeis</p>
<p>HS Counselors’ view
USNews HS Counselors Ranking - 10%</p>
<p>10 Princeton
10 Harvard
10 Yale
10 MIT</p>
<p>9.6 Stanford
9.6 Brown
9.6 Columbia
9.6 Cornell</p>
<p>9.2 UC Berkeley
9.2 Dartmouth
9.2 Penn
9.2 Duke
9.2 Caltech
9.2 Northwestern
9.2 Hopkins
9.2 Georgetown</p>
<p>8.4 Chicago
8.4 CMU
8.4 Virginia</p>
<p>8.1 Michigan
8.1 Notre Dame
8.1 WUStL
8.1 Rice
8.1 UNC</p>
<p>7.6 USC
7.6 Vanderbilt
7.6 UCLA
7.6 Tufts
7.6 Emory
7.6 NYU
7.6 William & Mary</p>
<p>6.7 Wake Forest
6.7 Brandeis</p>
<p>Average People’s opinions
Gullop - 10%</p>
<p>10 Harvard
8.7 Stanford
8.7 Yale
8.4 Princeton
8.2 MIT
8 UC Berkeley
8 Notre Dame</p>
<p>7.9 Duke
7.9 Michigan
7.9 UCLA</p>
<p>7.8 Penn
7.8 UNC</p>
<p>7.7 Columbia
7.7 Cornell
7.7 Brown
7.7 Georgetown
7.7 Virginia
7.7 USC
7.7 NYU</p>
<p>7 Caltech
7 Chicago
7 Dartmouth
7 Northwestern
7 WUStL
7 Hopkins
7 Emory
7 Rice
7 Vanderbilt
7 CMU
7 Tufts
7 Wake Forest
7 Brandeis
7 William & Mary</p>
<p>RML, I would have probably left out the pay scale thing because that data, even if it is reliable, speaks more to the location of the school, job opportunities etc rather than the school… anyways, why did you put more weight on certain categories rather than others. If we are solely talking about prestige, shoudn’t every category be equally weighed. </p>
<p>Also, trying to quantify prestige almost always never works even if the methodology is reliable, which I’m not sure it is. For example, is NYU really less prestigious than Tufts? I doubt it. Is Notre Dame more prestigious than Columbia? Once again, I would say no.</p>
<p>Students’ Opinions
College Power’s College Ranking - Academics - 10%</p>
<p>10 Princeton
10 MIT
10 Stanford
10 Dartmouth
10 Caltech
10 Chicago</p>
<p>9.5 Rice
9.5 Virginia
9.5 Columbia
9.5 Vanderbilt
9.5 CMU
9.5 Georgetown
9.5 Northwestern
9.5 Yale
9.5 Penn
9.5 Duke
9.5 Tufts
9.5 Emory
9.5 Harvard
9.5 Brown </p>
<p>9 UC Berkeley
9 Cornell
9 Notre Dame
9 WUStL
9 Hopkins
9 USC
9 Brandeis
9 William & Mary</p>
<p>8.5 Michigan
8.5 UCLA
8.5 NYU
8.5 UNC
8.5 Wake Forest</p>
<p>This is an excellent representation of reality in my opinion. Keep it the way it is. Payscale is important because it takes into account that some professions (higher paid ones in banking, medicine, and law) are more desired and sought after than other profession such as pure sciences. For instance, I know of many students would study biology if gone to a non-top public school such as University of Minnesota and would study econ or government at an Ivy. According to people I know at UChicago, most econ majors want to get banking jobs in NYC, but they are having a harder time getting them compared to undergrads at Ivies. The payscale reflects this difference.</p>
<p>College Students’ view
USNews Best Undergrad Teaching - 10%</p>
<p>10 Dartmouth<br>
9.9 Princeton
9.7 Stanford
9.8 Yale
9.5 Brown
9.3 Duke
9.3 Notre Dame</p>
<p>9 UC Berkeley
9 Chicago
9 Rice
9 Michigan
9 UNC
9 Wake Forest</p>
<p>8.5 Harvard
8.5 MIT
8.5 Penn
8.5 Caltect
8.5 Cornell
8.5 Columbia
8.5 CMU
8.5 Georgetown
8.5 WUStL
8.5 Hopkins
8.5 Virginia
8.5 Northwestern
8.5 USC
8.5 Vanderbilt
8.5 UCLA
8.5 Tufts
8.5 Emory
8.5 NYU
8.5 William & Mary
8.5 Brandeis</p>
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<p>I was tempted to not include payscale. But honestly, that’s the only data we have that would tell us how well the graduates are doing after leaving the university. If you have any data, please show them to me and I might incorporate that with this ranking.</p>
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<p>The opinions of those who know more - the academics people or those people who are personally involved with the academia - are far more reliable opinions that the rest, excluding the employers’ view. </p>
<p>The employers view are given a higher rate because they’re almost always the final destination of the graduates. They are who finally select those who they will hire and pay them accordingly. </p>
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<p>Actually, it all depends whom are you going to ask. If you would ask the academics, NYU is slightly more respected than is Tuft. But if you’re going to ask the employers, for example, Tufts would be favorable a bit as their grads actually earn more a bit.</p>
<p>RML, tell me how Tufts graduates earning more gives you the impression that Tufts graduates are more wanted and sought after by employers. That just makes no sense. The amount you get paid depends mostly on your profession and location and less on where you went to school.</p>
<p>^ Correct. But the data we have don’t tell us that. That’s why I cannot say that this ranking is 100% correct. But I guess so is the USNews ranking. No ranking table is perfect. </p>
<p>How would you explain that Columbia grads aren’t paid more than Notre Dame grads are?</p>
<p>I’d agree that “Payscale” is at best, overweight (and really isn’t “Employer Opinion”) - it’s just too hard to correlate across multiple degree types and how are graduate studies accounted for? </p>
<p>For an extreme example, John goes to Occupational College, and after 2 years, gets a certificate in HVAC, and gets a journeyman position for $40K, while Joan goes to Harvard, takes a undergraduate degree in Anthropology after 4 years, and joins Americorps for a $12K stipend. So, which school is more prestigious? </p>
<p>To continue the example, 5 years later, John is a union guy, making $80K a year, while Joan is in her last year of medical school and (still) makes “nothing.” </p>
<p>And what if she chose the Peace Corps or some other low-salary service as a “career”, something a Harvard grad is probably more likely to pursue than an Occupational College grad. If you normalize to specific degree types, (say Business Admin, Accounting, etc) to specific companies in specific locations (say Investment Banks in NYC), you’d get closer, but then you’d have geographic bias built-in. </p>
<p>I’d either eliminate or greatly reduce the “Payscale” weighting and assign those weights to, say, HS Counselers and College ******* rating. </p>
<p>To give the general public the same weight as “HS Counselors” is, at first blush, ridiculous - but then, it <em>is</em> about prestige, so maybe not …</p>
<p>I guess payscale is a measure of one’s worth, and thus the college’s worth? No “colleges” on the list, only universities. Universities offer graduate degrees, which after obtained (like MBA, JD) earn higher pay. A “college” seems to be no good if it is a liberal arts college or is small. Bigger is better in the US, I guess. Of course, these reasons are why USN&WR has a few lists, geared at differt types of “colleges”. Funny how USN&WR rates high schools by AP tests results. But it seems easiest to rate based upon numbers. Like another post on CC, why not just have computers as college Admissions Committees?</p>
<p>you used US NEWS rankings as 50 % of your rankings and fairly reasonably reproduced the US NEWS rankings.</p>
<p>LOL @ Harvard’s undergrad teaching ranking.</p>
<p>Wake Forest (yes, my kid’s dream) is near the bottom on everything except College Students’ View. I wonder why.</p>
<p>ETA: I understand why it’s at the bottom of most lists. I don’t understand what makes it rise up according to college students.</p>
<p>Payscale is very neccesary.
You go to a prestigious university to land yourself good job.
Going to uni is like an investment, the higher you get pay the better the investment.
It’s all about how much your piece of paper (the cert) is worth in $$$$
if it’s not why dont we all just go to CC or not bother with college at all</p>
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<p>That’s very shallow.</p>