<p>which one is easier? Is Robertson harder because Duke students compete for it too? The award values are about the same. I know there are about 30 Robertsons each year bwteen te two scools , but I can't find the number for Morehead.</p>
<p>The number of Moreheads has risen from 43 in 2004 to the mids 50s and with the addition of new funding through the new Morehead-Cain Foundation, the number should grow into the upper 60s to low 70 each year.</p>
<p>To assume that either one is "easy" to get or that one is "easier" to get than the other is far from the truth. Unless you attend a Morehead nominating school, your only possible path to the Morehead would be if Admissions selected your application as being one that the Morehead Foundation should review. The Ohio schools are:</p>
<pre><code>* Bexley High School (2007), Bexley
* Hathaway Brown School (2006) Shaker Heights
* Hawken School (2007), Gates Mills
* Hoover High School(2006) , North Canton
* Indian Hill High School* (1997), Cincinnati
* Laurel School (2006) Shaker Heights
* Saint Ursula Academy (2006), Cincinnati
* Saint Xavier High School* (2002), Cincinnati
* Shaker Heights High School* (1997), Shaker Heights
* St. Mary Central Catholic (2006), Sandusky
* The Summit Country Day (2006) Cincinnati
* University School (2006), Hunting Valley
* Upper Arlington High School* (1997), Upper Arlington
* Walnut Hills High School* (2001), Cincinnati
* School for Creative and Performing Arts (2007), Cincinnati
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<p>The date beside the school shows when they became a nominating school. Any school listed before 2006 or with an * after the school name was one of the 151 legacy nominating schools prior to the expansion of schools in 2006.</p>
<p>If your school is not on this list, you can't be nominated for the Morehead and must hope that Admissions selects your application for consideration.</p>
<p>You CAN complete the supplemental application requesting to be considered for the Robertson. Others on this thread like jack may know more about how that process works.</p>
<p>thanks eadad, I'm currently completeing the appp for Robertson. And I have talked to jack.
one more question:
like i said I'm doing the supplement for Robertson. However, am I correct that I can only be considered for one of them? So does that mean by doing the Robertson supplement I just eliminated my chance for the Morehead?</p>
<p>JohnC: I suspect the Morehead and Robertson programs probably had some overlap with their finalists and even their named Scholars. So students awarded both, ultimately had to make a decision. Each program, I'm guessing, felt it was better not to have a direct "competition" in that way. </p>
<p>So the way I understand it, now you can <em>either</em> be nominated for the Morehead, <em>or</em> the Robertson at UNC, but not be nominated for both. Of course, you can still be nominated for the Morehead at UNC and for the Robertson at Duke, just not both the Morehead and Robertson at UNC. I believe they instituted that change about a year ago.</p>
<p>So, yes, you can only be considered for one of them at UNC. Again, if you choose to apply to Duke as well, you can submit the Robertson supplement at Duke and also be nominated for the Morehead at UNC. (You can also submit the supplement for the Robertson at Duke (if you choose to apply there, too) and at UNC at the same time, though.)</p>
<p>Hope that's not too confusing!</p>
<p>Let me just add, too, that while you <em>can</em> be nominated for the Morehead in the Admissions office, I really don't know how many are done that way, though eadad might know. I suspect not all that many. So my feeling is-- and it's only my opinion-- <em>unless</em> you are at a nominating school, and your school nominates you for the Morehead, I would do the supplement for the Robertson instead. </p>
<p>Again, from what I've seen here in NC, my sense is that the students who are Morehead nominees, named so by their respective schools, whether in-state or out-of-state, stand a much better chance of being successful as finalists or scholars, than do those few who are nominated for the Morehead out of the admissions office. Just my sense, but eadad might have a different feeling for that.</p>
<p>So, my suggestion-- which you can take with a grain of salt, or not-- is that unless you are a Morehead nominee from your school, I'd do the Robertson supplement.</p>
<p>I believe in my son's class of 43 scholars, 3 or 4 eventual winners came from the Admissions office pool. I also know that his roommate at Finalist weekend was from the admission pool, was selected as a winner and was the ONLY person of the original named winners to turn down the scholarship that year. </p>
<p>My take on that is that applicants/finalists from schools with a long history and relationship with the Morehead Foundation go into the process with a greater awareness of the real "value" of the award beyond the obvious financial implications and thus are less inclined to turn down the award. Whether those schools with a long history of winners have any advantage in the process I am not sure. I do know that the all girl's "sister" school to my son's all boy school has had three winners in the last four years including this past year's class Valedictorian. What this tells me is that their internal selection process is very good and that they have a very good idea of what the Foundation is looking for when they select their annual applicants. This might be the "edge" or advantage that a school with a long history of winners has; a better feel for what it takes to be a winner based on past success.</p>
<p>thanks both of you. Jack, thanks for the reccomendation on going for the Robertson.</p>
<p>Both the Robertson and the Morehead are great programs that share many similar benefits, and you certainly couldnt go wrong with either. </p>
<p>But there are a few small yet important differences to consider: the Robertson tends to put more emphasis on collective programming and offers unique access to Duke; the Morehead has an exceptionally strong alumni network. The selection process and criteria for the programs might also dictate which makes the most sense for any one individual.</p>
<p>I've attempted to outline these and other differences below, but keep in mind that these programs are more similar than they are different.</p>
<p>Selection: Both are exceptionally competitive merit scholarship programs. You must attend and be nominated by a Morehead nominating high school, or be a North Carolina resident, to apply for the Morehead. Anyone can fill out the supplemental materials form for the Robertson. For both programs, UNC Admissions also pulls a handful of applicants from the general admissions pool for consideration. The selection criteria for both include academic excellence, intellectual curiosity, and leadership. Although both programs seek it, demonstrated commitment to service and a passion to change the world are particularly important for the Robertson. The Morehead also requires evidence of physical vigor.</p>
<p>Jack was right in pointing out that starting with the 2006-2007 selection process, students have not been able to be simultaneously considered for both the Morehead and the Robertson at UNC (although they can be independently considered for the Morehead at UNC and the Robertson at Duke). </p>
<p>Financial Benefits: Extremely similar. Both Moreheads and UNC Robertsons receive funding that covers not just tuition but room and board, a living stipend, and summer opportunities. (Note: Unlike UNC Robertsons, Duke Robertsons do not receive room and board or a living stipend. This is due to the fact that Dukes tuition is so much more expensive.)</p>
<p>Summers: Both programs provide funding and support for several summers of exploration and engagement. Robertsons have free choice over organizations they work with in the summers, but must choose between a handful of geographic locations, which allows them to live in and experience a city together. Moreheads have more choice in location of summer programming, and they work and live independently. Similarly, while Moreheads have wide choice in a choosing an outdoor leadership retreat prior to freshman year that they go on with mostly non-Moreheads, Robertsons all go on one retreat together, allowing them to build unity as a class and establish friendships before the beginning of the school year.</p>
<p>Academic Year Programming: Both programs offer excellent advising and mentoring services that supplement those offered by UNC and the UNC Honors Program. Moreheads have a few major group traditions (such as check day, when they receive their checks), but by and large they are encouraged to spread out and make their mark on the campus as a whole as everyday students. Robertsons, on the other hand, are encouraged to spend time together and have much more collective programming (dinners, talks, and special classes in their freshman and senior years). </p>
<p>Alumni: This is a distinguishing feature of the Morehead. The age of the Morehead program means that it has a large and exceptionally successful alumni base that will often go to great lengths to help current Moreheads. The strength and importance of this benefit should not be underestimated. (The Robertson program graduated its first class of scholars in 2005, and as such does not have such a vibrant network.)</p>
<p>Unique Access/Collaboration: This is a distinguishing feature of the Robertson. Robertsons have unparalleled access to both UNC-Chapel Hill and Duke. They enroll in classes, join clubs, and otherwise engage fully in both the academic and social life of both universities, allowing them to benefit from the distinctive strengths of each. (They also spend a semester living at their sister campus during their sophomore year.) Robertsons also receive housing priority at UNC, guaranteeing them the best housing when living on-campus.</p>
<p>WOW, THANKS THOUGHTPROVOKING
yeah, that "physical vigor" part for the Morehead... I haven't played a sport on a school team since junior high</p>
<p>ThoughtProvoking: Excellent summary/comparison!</p>
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<p>Just a small comment here . . . <em>all</em> the applicants pulled aside for consideration for the Robertson actually originate in Admissions, not just a "handful." That's true regardless of whether one submits the supplement or not, which is optional. Many Robertson nominees (and ultimately named Scholars) never completed a supplement (in that early stage, anyway). </p>
<p>That's why I mentioned earlier that only a "handful" really are pulled aside in admissions for the Morehead, since most all Morehead nominees are sent from their respective schools.</p>
<p>Just for the record, the above is not necessarily true: applying to UNC/Morehead and then for the Robertson/Duke then back to UNC is blurry. Last year I applied to UNC for the Morehead, but didn't advance. At about the same time I filled out the Robertson and at the end of the application it says you can't apply for both the Morehead and Robertson at UNC. Alas, I applied for the Duke/Robertson program only. When the Robertson semi-finalists were e-mailed about their status and I received notice, I was elated! I had been accepted as a semi-finalist and assumed that it was for Duke.>>>>Not!!! I had been switched to UNC!!! It blew my mind! So, I think the schools look at what they are looking for and take it. Unfortunately, I didn't advance. But to be honest, I wanted nothing to do with Duke. So, life goes on!
BTW, I love UVA!!</p>
<p>wow powderpuff, i didn’t think they would do that. hmm interestng</p>
<p>Anyone know for sure when the Robertson is due? I have seen conflicting information in different places.
thanks</p>
<p>Everything I have seen points to the due date for the Robertson Supplemental forms as being December 1st.</p>
<p>Thanks, scuba. Is this true also for people applying early action?</p>
<p>Early Action applications are due Nov. 1</p>
<p>Yes, aware that EA applications are due Nov.1. But if an EA candidate is applying for the Robertson, is the Robertsobn also due Nov 1?</p>
<p>Straight from <a href=“http://www.robertsonscholars.org%5B/url%5D”>www.robertsonscholars.org</a> —</p>
<p>Submission Deadline is December 1, 2007.</p>