<p>In fact here is the thing, I haven`t visited MIT yet but I really liked the Rose campus. in fact, I know of one thing, I would like to be well surrounded while getting my bachelor degree.Meanwhile, it is hard to refuse MIT.Also, the fact that I am about to choose is that despite the absence of graduate school, those 20% who decide to pursue with a master get into top notch school for engineering. I received the list and it is quite impressive.</p>
<p>Any suggestion about it?</p>
<p>If I were you, I wouldn’t do it. But it’s your decision.</p>
<p>You’ll make the waitlistees more optimistic. =)</p>
<p>I think it is very silly to prioritize campus aesthetics over everything else. Especially when you haven’t even visited the campus in question. </p>
<p>You can also rest assured MIT grads get into top-notch schools for their masters’.</p>
<p>^Modally MIT itself, actually. ;)</p>
<p>“I think it is very silly to prioritize campus aesthetics over everything else.”</p>
<p>Totally hors-sujet. </p>
<p>“I would like to be well surrounded while getting my bachelor degree”</p>
<p>I was talking about the academic environment in which the Rose student are evolving. As a fact I dont care as much about the aesthetic side. I am talking about academy.</p>
<p>You can get a well-rounded education at MIT… cross register at Harvard for subjects that MIT isn’t as strong in…</p>
<p>A large part of the college experience is the people whom you’ll meet and the connections you’ll establish later on in your life. MIT blows Rose out of the water in this respect…</p>
<p>I think MIT has the most beautiful campus of any college in the country. I’ve never seen another place like Killian Court. Columbia comes close to the majesty of it but Columbia is way cramped. Wagner on Staten Island has a nice view of NY across the bay but they’re some distance away from the water itself. MIT is sprawled out for 1.5 miles along the Charles, this is what you see out of classroom windows:</p>
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<p>I mean, come on.</p>
<p>yeah , thats right that it is very nice. But I can still be at MIT after my bachelor. In fact, I don`t want to be involved in research for now.</p>
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If you haven’t visited MIT, do you know about the academic environment there?</p>
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<p>Don’t count on it. Selectivity in admission to grad school ast MIT is just as selective as undergrad admission and you will compete not only with the top US applicants but with applicants from all over the world. </p>
<p>The caliber of students at MIT is vastly different from that at Rose-Hulman and so are the opportunities upon graduation. You simply have not provided any rationale for your decision especially since you haven’t even visited MIT. You only have one chance to enroll and very few people turn it away.</p>
<p>I have no idea what Rose Hulman is, never heard of it. But go with your gut. Commense sense screams no, but you’re the only one who can make the decision.</p>
<p>it is right that Rose-Hulman is good but not as good as MIT.</p>
<p>Wow, is that choice soo clear-cut to make? Is Rose-Hulman that bad before MIT in term of bachelor?</p>
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<p>No. </p>
<p>I don’t know what everyone on this thread is even talking about. According to rankings (which I think are total crap, but lots of people here take seriously), Rose-Hulman is on par with Harvey Mudd, which people on this forum almost unanimously agreed was comparable to MIT. Maybe now that it’s close to enrollment date we feel the need to “convince” people?</p>
<p>I honestly don’t know all that much about Rose-Hulman, but from the little I know I’m certain it’s a perfectly respectable place to study engineering. And most importantly, YOU like it!</p>
<p>I have said this about a million times, but I will keep saying it as long as it remains true: MIT may be a great place, but it’s not for everyone. It’s quite possible to come here and HATE it. It’s quite possible to come here and be miserable. It’s a very intense environment. Some people thrive in it, others don’t. It all depends what will work for you. And even if you do or would like MIT, that certainly doesn’t mean that you can’t like the atmosphere elsewhere <em>more.</em></p>
<p>I would try to look around the MIT admissions website to get a feel for the academic environment- you did say that you hadn’t visited, and I obviously don’t want you to miss out on something that you might have loved just because you didn’t realize it at the time. Informed decisions are the way to go.</p>
<p>But if you compare the information and decide that you really like Rose-Hulman better, go for it. It’ll probably be a more fulfilling experience than doing what cold, logical ranking tells you. (I may be an engineer, but I fully understand the limits of logic.)</p>
<p>I always think it’s such a shame when people get all caught up in the “prestige” of a school. Good for you for looking past that. Don’t let anyone talk you out of it because they haven’t even heard of Rose-Hulman, or because they wouldn’t do it, or because it wouldn’t look as good, or other equally silly reasons.</p>
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<p>I think you totally get my point and your post is AMAZINGLY objective. I mean lets be a little bit impartial and speak not as partisan or adorator of MIT but as students who look beyond all that prestige stuff. After all it wont matter as much for engineering. I truly rely on my personnal skills more than on which “brand name” is stuck on my bachelor degree.</p>
<p>Following the first posts, I had the impression that I was making a decision between getting a bachelor or simply not to. Connection and possibilites upon graduation are of course more impressive at MIT. However, I dont think that this applies to me right since I plan to enter to grad school right away after my bachelor. And as I said, a bachelor at Rose foolowed by a master at MIT for instance is totally adequat for me and at this time, more than a bachelor at MIT follewed by another school. Now, I am not going to promote objectivity without applying it myself and for that, I will make further researchs on MIT`s academic environment-e.g-how the undergrad are assisted throughout their 4 years.</p>
<p>If you want to be truly objective you should compare the common data sets (a statistical compilation of data submitted by each school) for Rose-Hulman and MIT. I’m sure R-H is a fine school, but looking at the academic profiles of its enrolled students, it is not in the same league as MIT or Harvey Mudd (SAT scores, distribution of high school class ranks, admissions rates, etc.)</p>
<p>More important, the OP seems to be of the opinion that R-H has a more supportive environment. However, that is belied by the freshman retention and graduation rates. Less than 90% of R-H students return for their sophomore years. The six year graduation rate is about 80%. Both are much lower than MIT’s comparable stats (98% and 93% respectively). It also has a far less diverse student body if that’s important to him.</p>
<p>PilotImperial, I recommend you go where you are most comfortable. If that’s R-H then great. If you’d visited MIT and come to that conclusion I don’t think anyone would even question it (other than to say “I’d have chosen differently”). But you are comparing your 1st hand perspective of R-H with an impression of MIT that came from ?? For your own benefit I suggest you take a look at the facts to see if they support your assessment. I don’t think they do.</p>
<p>Rose-Hulman Common Data Set: <a href=“404 | Rose-Hulman”>404 | Rose-Hulman;
MIT Common Data Set: [MIT</a> Office of the Provost, Institutional Research](<a href=“Home - MIT Institutional Research”>Home - MIT Institutional Research)</p>
<p>Good luck.</p>
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<p>Anyone who knows what they’re talking about will say Rose is not on par with HMC. And there is absolutely no freaking way that Rose is on par with MIT.</p>
<p>If you’re considering turning down MIT, you should definitely at least visit it first.</p>
<p>Don’t feel like you need to convince other people why you don’t like it, though. I read some decision theory article where it was said that people make better decisions when following their gut reaction rather than over-analyzing the situation. I think this is especially true with matters of preference like choosing a school. You may feel better on one campus and attribute it to campus aesthetics, but it may be more than that. Don’t worry about being able to articulate your feelings in a way that is convincing to other people if you really have a strong reaction at one place or another.</p>
<p>Yeah, I think you (OP) are misusing the word “objective”. MIT is objectively a better school than Rose-Hulman. On the other hand, it may not be for you for any number of non-objective reasons.</p>
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<p>I never thought I would use the US News and World Report to prove a point, but there’s a first time for everything.</p>
<p>Best Undergraduate Engineering Program (schools that do not offer doctorate degrees):
[Best</a> Undergraduate Engineering Programs - Best Colleges - Education - US News and World Report](<a href=“http://rankings.usnews.com/college/spec-engineering]Best”>http://rankings.usnews.com/college/spec-engineering)</p>
<p>You’re right, Rose is not on par with HMC. Apparently, it’s better. (According to the rankings, which I generally disagree with because they encourage such nit-picking and the idea that there exist large differences between schools at the top tiers…but they’re certainly not totally off. I trust them to at least indicate that two schools are of similar caliber.)</p>
<p>There was a recent thread where MIT people discussed Harvey Mudd, and generally concluded that the two schools were “peer institutions.” <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/massachusetts-institute-technology/620779-harvey-mudd-beavers-point-view.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/massachusetts-institute-technology/620779-harvey-mudd-beavers-point-view.html</a></p>
<p>So, if Harvey is considered on par with MIT, and Rose is considered on par with Harvey…well I was always bad with math vocabulary but I’m pretty sure that one’s called the transitive property.</p>
<p>Now we’re really going to veer off into debate, but I would also not agree that MIT is objectively better than Rose. “Better” is such a ridiculous term when considered complex institutions like universities. Even if you consider them just in one particular major, or even one particular class, what does “better” mean? Students do better on the test, students learn more (yeah, try to actually measure THAT), students like it more, students get better jobs after graduation (oh, and what is a “better” job? one that makes you happy, or one that makes you lots of money?), the professors publish more papers…what?</p>
<p>Hence why I think rankings in such detail (US News and World Report calculates an index out to FOUR decimal places! they clearly have NO concept of significant figures) are silly.</p>
<p>I would also wager a guess that most people here do not have nearly enough information to be making comparisons. What I know about Rose-Hulman could fit on the head of a pin. I know that of heard of it, heard that it’s good, and that it’s in Indiana (because I read the lead section of the wikipedia page). Sure, MIT might be the “best of the best” to a certain degree, but to repeat something I mentioned in the HMC thread, I just think it’s a shame that people seem to have this perception that nothing comes close to MIT (or Harvard or Princeton or what-have-you) in quality, and it’s not even worth considering turning it down for something else (because that “something else” is inherently very inferior), when that’s an incredibly short-sighted way of thinking about things, and I’m absolutely certain it’s not true.</p>
<p>And don’t even get me started on my “scores aren’t everything” spiel. Unless you want to roll all of my broken records into one thread. =)</p>
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