<p>I know this is the Michigan board but honestly where do you all think I will have the best career opportunities coming out of if I am looking at going into IBanking?? This is pretty much the only aspect of the comparison between these two schools that I am unsure of.</p>
<p>Definately Ross. First of all Northwestern doesn't offer a BBA and Ross is the 3rd or 5th best business school in the country depending on the ranking. Ross, no brainer.</p>
<p>btw I'm a PA and i will be attending ross starting in 08'.</p>
<p>Both are target schools, but Ross is a better one. You don't have to study business to do ibanking, but recruitment is better at Ross anyway.</p>
<p>nyjeff, if your main concern is education, both options are excellent and you should go for fit. However, if professional placement is your primary concern, Ross has the advantage.</p>
<p>The largest percentage of Ross BBAs go into I-Banking. In 2006, about 30% of Ross BBA graduates went into I-Banking with a median starting salary of $60,000 and 91% received median signing bonuses of $10,000 and 59% had "other guaranteeed compensation" of $40,000.</p>
<p>as a Northwestern grad, you are being fed a lot of (fill in the word). I know Alexandre is an alum of Michigan. Go ask anyone in your high school or anyone who knows one or two things about schools. Northwestern is a more prestigious university. Sure, Michigan has top rated graduate programs and grad programs. At the undergrad level, Northwestern by almost every measure is superior. So what if its peer assessment score is .1 below Michigan. So are those of Brown and Dartmouth. Is Michigan really better than Northwestern. According to the business weekly study of ug b rankings, Ross kids have an average sat of 1350-1360 (higher than the mean of Michigan as an aggregate). At Northwestern, the mean in A/S is close to a 1410 and in engineering, it is close to a 1430. Make you own choice. You do not need a preferred admit to ross to get into ross. You can make it there with good grades in econ courses.</p>
<p>COLLEGEBOARD STATS</p>
<p>not Michigan's own website (ahem, using "admitted" not enrolled)</p>
<p>SAT range: 1210-1420
ACT: 27-31</p>
<p>Northwestern
SAT range: 1320-1500
ACT: 29-33</p>
<p>Northwestern is substantially stronger. This is a no brainer unless you are in-state. Michigan out of state is not worth it, when you have Northwestern on the table. Sorry michigan fans!</p>
<p>NUGrad, it is pointless to discuss which university is best because there is no clear cut winner. Your high school classmates may think more highly of NU, but at the end of the day, it isn't your classmates or their parents who are going to hire you when you graduate...or admit you into a top graduate program. It is the professors who determine the Peer Assessment score who sit on the admission committee of graduate programs and corporate recruiters who will hire you. The peer assessment score and corporate recruitment score are a far better indicator of quality and reputation. According to those two qualified bodies, Michigan and NU are roughly the same.</p>
<p>But the OP isn't asking us which university is better. He is asking us whether Ross or NU Econ would be better for landing a job in IBanking when he graduates.</p>
<p>Here are the placement numbers for Ross (out of a class of 350 students):</p>
<p>Care to share with us the full time and internship details for Econ majors at NU? I am pretty sure it doesn't come close. </p>
<p>By the way, the SAT average used by BW is for all of Michigan, not for Ross. Ross does not have or publish SAT averages for their students. However, the mean SAT score of the pre-admits was 1420 last year and should be higher this year.</p>
<p>Sorry Alexandre, you are wrong according to the business weekly.
<a href="http://www.businessweek.com/bschools/07/undergrad/profiles/michigan1.htm%5B/url%5D">http://www.businessweek.com/bschools/07/undergrad/profiles/michigan1.htm</a></p>
<p>Which standardized tests are required? SAT, ACT
SAT Scores for full-time entering business students (LOOK HERE)
Average 1333
Median 1340
Range (Middle 80%) From 1260
to 1420
Minimum SAT Score </p>
<p>The mean at Michigan is not a 1330. This is the business school's stats. According to collegeboard, Michigan's median is around a 1315. Thus, the average of the entire school is not that 1340 they are citing. That is the business students.</p>
<p>It is you who is wrong NU. Ross does not publish SAT ranges as it is not privy to that information. BW is citing broader set of SAT ranges for Michigan. Besides, SAT scores are very hard to read. </p>
<p>1) How many students at NU take SAT prep courses vs students at Michigan?
2) How hard does the average NU student prepare for the SAT vs the average student at Michigan (knowing that Michigan de-emphasizes the SAT and that over 50% of Michigan students never planned on going to another university)?
3) How does NU report SAT scores vs Michigan (average SAT scores taking the highest score achieved in each section on multible sittings vs the highest score in one sitting)?
4) How many times does the average NU student sit for the SAT vs the average Michigan student?</p>
<p>But none of that doesn't matters. You are dancing around the single issue of this thread. Ross vs NU Econ for IBanking. We have shown the statistics for Ross, you have yet to show the stats for Norwestern Econ.</p>
<p>well, since you asked, I had to search for the information.</p>
<p>That shows the starting average salary for an econ major to be 51,461 (this was in 2005) based on over 50 respondents (seems pretty accurate to me). The average bonus was 5,561. That makes the average starting salary to be over 57,000 (pretty impressive). </p>
<p>As for the companies, Northwestern doesn't publish the exact # of students accepting a position at each company. It, however, lists all of the companies in which 3 or more students accepted positions.</p>
<p>Pretty impressive again. 3 or more students accepted positions here. Some of the most selective consulting firms are listed.
ABN AMRO
Accenture
Allstate Insurance Company*
American Airlines, Inc.
Argonne National Laboratory
Bain & Company
Beghou Consulting
Booz Allen & Hamilton
Boston Consulting Group
Deloitte Consulting*
DiamondCluster International
Epic Systems Corporation
General Electric
General Mills
Goldman Sachs
Harris Nesbitt
Hewitt Associates
Huron Consulting Group
IBM
JP Morgan Chase*
Kraft Foods
Lehman Brothers
L.E.K. Consulting
Marakon Associates
McKinsey & Company
McMaster-Carr Supply Company
Medtronic
Mercer Management Consulting
Merrill Lynch
Microsoft
Morgan Stanley
Morningstar, Inc.
Northern Trust Corporation*
Northrop Grumman Corporation
Philips (Royal Philips Electronics)
PRTM (Pittiglio, Rabin, Todd, and McGrath)
Robert W. Baird & Company
SIG (Susquehanna International Group)
Starcom Worldwide
Stockamp & Associates
Target Corporation
William Blair & Company</p>
<p>top consulting: Boston Consulting, McKinsey, Mercer, Accenture, Deloitte, Booze Allen, Marakon, Bain, Hewitt, Huron</p>
<p>and Monitor and a few others definitely recruit from NU, but I guess 3 or more students didn't accept positions.</p>
<p>top banking: Goldman, Morgan Stanley, JP Morgan, Lehman Brothers, and Merrill Lynch</p>
<p>and Alexandre, let's get something str8. I totally respect Michigan. In fact, my sister attends currently and she loves it. That list you provided is very impressive. I just do not think the average student given the choice between Northwestern and Michigan would choose Michigan.</p>
<p>^Those still are not stats for NU Econ placement. My gut tells me that many of those students are engineers, so it's not very representative of companies where several econ majors accept jobs. </p>
<p>Really, between Ross and NU, it should be whether you want a smaller feel, to study pure econ or business, whether you want a winning football team, and other stuff like that.</p>
<p>That list of companies is very impresive indeed (very similar to the list of companies that recruit at Michigan's school of LSA. But those numbers are for the entire university (2,000 NU graduates vs 350 Ross graduates).</p>
<p>Listen guys. I already showed based on the survey, 50 econ majors reported an average starting salary of around 57,000. Not many schools can match that. And look at the "firms list," it only has N = 150 or so. That is less than 5 percent of Northwestern's students.</p>
<p>Salaries reported by employers interviewing on campus, N = 135, and verified by responses to graduation survey</p>
<p>Therefore, that is based on 135 students. Very impressive list for that many students, right? And the fact that NU by itself without any "business program" does just as well as Ross is indicative of its overall quality, that is just as good if not superior to Ross.</p>
<p>NU, you do not respect Michigan. If you did, you would not say that "Northwestern is substantially stronger. This is a no brainer unless you are in-state. Michigan out of state is not worth it, when you have Northwestern on the table. Sorry michigan fans!" If you respected Michigan, you would acknowledge that it is a top university.</p>
<p>And I am not sure how you figured that the average student, given the choice between Michigan and NU, would pick the latter. I had the choice and I picked Michigan. From what I have seen (and my exposure has been limited to 100 or so international students), given the choice between Michigan and NU, students are as likely to pick one as they are to pick the other.</p>